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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm
(August 7, 2012 at 9:26 pm)Shell B Wrote: Smile and nod.
I wouldn't even be able to do that. I can't pretend to believe in utter childish nonsense.
My religious uncle said "why don't you become a priest?" and I came out. I said "I don't believe in god". Mind you, the room went silent for a while. Kinda awkward.....
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Tell them what they want to hear.
We're all going the same "place" after we die regardless. Let them enjoy whatever fantasies they've chosen for themselves.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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(August 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I wouldn't even be able to do that. I can't pretend to believe in utter childish nonsense.
My religious uncle said "why don't you become a priest?" and I came out. I said "I don't believe in god". Mind you, the room went silent for a while. Kinda awkward.....
Lol, I had a similar discussion during my stint at St. Pete Catholic (highschool) . The same question was asked, the same answer given, but the response was priceless (and will stick with me to the end of my life, in all likelihood...)
"So?"
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 4:02 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I wouldn't even be able to do that. I can't pretend to believe in utter childish nonsense.
I can if I love someone, I know their mind isn't going to change and it isn't hurting them or anyone else. It's easy. Shit, I've even been straight out insulted by people in my extended family about the topic. I still smile and nod. Fuck it. Life is too short to fight with people I care about. A stranger? You can guaranfuckingtee I'm not going to be quiet about it. Some dickhead was at hempfest this year telling everyone how the world was going to end. I laughed at him and handed him back his pamphlet.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 4:02 pm)Shell B Wrote: I can if I love someone, I know their mind isn't going to change and it isn't hurting them or anyone else. It's easy. Shit, I've even been straight out insulted by people in my extended family about the topic. I still smile and nod. Fuck it. Life is too short to fight with people I care about. A stranger? You can guaranfuckingtee I'm not going to be quiet about it. Some dickhead was at hempfest this year telling everyone how the world was going to end. I laughed at him and handed him back his pamphlet.
That's the difference between us, I just can't go along with it.
Saw this gorgeous woman's profile, and in her bio she had put "thank the lord this", and "thank Jebus that". Could of contacted her but walked away, I guess her insanity scared me off a bit. There is no way I could fake belief. Not even for a lover.
There has never been a conflict, seeing as everyone here tends to be non-religious anyway. It's just that I cannot pretend to agree with someone's insanity.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 4:37 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: It's just that I cannot pretend to agree with someone's insanity.
For me the first and main virtue is honesty.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 5:10 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 4:37 pm)jonb Wrote: For me the first and main virtue is honesty.
While I respect that, I have to ask: why? This is something that I've been struggling with to some extent, and I should probably do some more research. I just don't see why any virtue is important in itself.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 5:14 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 5:10 pm)AeroJ Wrote: While I respect that, I have to ask: why? This is something that I've been struggling with to some extent, and I should probably do some more research. I just don't see why any virtue is important in itself.
It isn't, I just use words to express how I feel.
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Thank you, everyone, for the great input and especially for making me feel welcome here. I can see it being important if we were talking about my wife. I've mentioned to her that I think believing in god, and all that, is just a crutch for weak people(It's not MY fault I fucked up that mean ol' devil tricked me!) and she didn't seem to care one way or the other. I think I'll put this one in the "kindness lie" file and let it be.
"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend"-Richard Jeni
"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish."-unknown
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RE: Trying not to be a hypocrite...
August 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm
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(August 8, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Captain Jack Zodiac Wrote: Thank you, everyone, for the great input and especially for making me feel welcome here. I can see it being important if we were talking about my wife. I've mentioned to her that I think believing in god, and all that, is just a crutch for weak people(It's not MY fault I fucked up that mean ol' devil tricked me!) and she didn't seem to care one way or the other. I think I'll put this one in the "kindness lie" file and let it be.
Like that wasn't going to be the outcome all the time.
I can't remember now who I gave completely the oposite advice to, but that was just another rhetorical question.
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