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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 12, 2017 at 8:22 pm
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(May 12, 2017 at 8:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (May 12, 2017 at 5:16 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: My bold. This was definitely neither witty nor epic. Myopic, yes, but neither witty nor epic.
This response however was both very witty and very epic:
What makes it epic? Is it; because, it wasn't concerning any point, that Neo was making. Also the analogy, seems to completely miss the point!
It's epic because it follows perfectly both logically and humorously from what Neo said.
Look at the part I bolded. Neo literally said that God cannot be aware of choices at any time other than exactly when those choices are made. That's no more aware than us, or anyone else, literally watching us make them as we make them. Prediction wise that's as useless as watching the results of lottery numbers as they come up and claiming afterwards that you knew what they were when you didn't until you saw them lol. So the analogy is spot on and hilarious.
I can see you're being unintentionally obtuse. Which is fine. Because it's unintentional.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 12, 2017 at 9:20 pm
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For those that are interested in my reply to Cyberman: https://atheistforums.org/thread-47882-p...pid1551943
Alasdair is not revealing that I intentionally did not take a position (on God's foreknowledge) because IMO there was a deeper issue that had to be dealt with first (the nature of time). It seems like douchebaggery to criticize me for speculating about possibilities related to an issue on which I haven't taken a firm position.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 13, 2017 at 9:25 am
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I'm going by what you said not by what you didn't say.
Your not taking a position is not a refutation of the arguments.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 13, 2017 at 9:38 am
Yes, yes .. but are you now or have you ever been an advocate of douchebaggery?
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 13, 2017 at 9:40 am
Nah... the whole reason I quoted Neo in the first place is because I'm very much anti-douchebaggery.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 13, 2017 at 9:41 am
That's what I thought. Glad to hear it.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 16, 2017 at 10:03 pm
(May 16, 2017 at 9:13 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Welcome from New Zealand, where Jesus wasn't born because they couldn't find three wise men or a virgin.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 18, 2017 at 7:38 am
(May 12, 2017 at 8:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What makes it epic? Is it; because, it wasn't concerning any point, that Neo was making. Also the analogy, seems to completely miss the point!
Because it means God is not omniscient. Neo was claiming that omniscience means knowing stuff just after it's happened and that's an internally self-refuting definition.
Sti... Cyber's analogy was witty, funny, elegant, relatable and exposed a flaw that I don't think Neo (and certainly not you) realised was there.
Epic win!
Sum ergo sum
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RE: Hall of wit and epicness.
May 18, 2017 at 3:31 pm
(May 18, 2017 at 7:38 am)Ben Davis Wrote: (May 12, 2017 at 8:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What makes it epic? Is it; because, it wasn't concerning any point, that Neo was making. Also the analogy, seems to completely miss the point!
Because it means God is not omniscient. Neo was claiming that omniscience means knowing stuff just after it's happened and that's an internally self-refuting definition.
Sti... Cyber's analogy was witty, funny, elegant, relatable and exposed a flaw that I don't think Neo (and certainly not you) realised was there.
Epic win!
Perhaps Neo can clarify, but I do t think that Neo holds anything against the orthodox and classic understanding of omniscience. What he was discussing was the how God can know the future, in which he was postulating a theory of time, where God is present and knows all points in time. That was my understanding anyway, so as per the norm, I believe the atheist victory dance is pre-mature.
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