HIV patients told by Pentecostal pastors 'to rely on God'

[Minimalist]

Spontaneous remission happens in almost every condition there is.

So if it recurs will you tell your 'god' to go fuck himself, Drippy?

Maybe we'll get lucky?

[Cyberman]

Oh, Stimmy. You didn't actually do a google search did you?

No, I didn't.

It's almost like I was setting you up to fail again.

Ok. Well in that case, my interest has constipation.

I don't give a shit.

[ITChick]

I even said this in my orginal post, that I asked God to help me change my life whatever the cost. My 'health' was the price. Once I accepted the price God refunded the cost.

God generally works with one person at a time on an indivisual level. For all others who see the help an indivisual get, God can be dismissed. (Thus ensuring they too have to make the same choice the person getting the Help had to make.) But, for the one who received the help, there is no doubt. For the indivisual that is all the 'proof' they need.

God gave you aids?

You are aware that it is mostly spread via unprotected sex, right?

This brings me back to the question: "Is God gay?"

[Foxaèr]

"Is God gay?"

http://youtu.be/E5WtdeL1s7c

[Faith No More]

There is not a facepalm image on the entire internet that is adequate for knowing this claim was seriously made by a thinking human mind.

Your face can be free of palm when you find the error in that train of thought.

[downbeatplumb]

God generally works with one person at a time on an indivisual level. For all others who see the help an indivisual get, God can be dismissed. (Thus ensuring they too have to make the same choice the person getting the Help had to make.) But, for the one who received the help, there is no doubt. For the indivisual that is all the 'proof' they need.

This is an inefficient way to run a universe.

[Faith No More]

That's because my 'healing' wasn't for any of you. It was for me. It was my wake up call it was my alarm bell and it was the catylist for me to change my direction in life.

I thought your trip to hell was your wake up call?

Do you know what type of people can't keep their stories straight?

[Drich]

To point out to you that if you simply A/S/K you Too can be plagued with an incurable disease or put into some other no win situation, to give you the same opportunity I had. To accepted your fate and and accept God's will as your own, allowing you (and whatever time you have left) a personal knowledge of God.

You know, you've been pimping this A/S/K shit for almost as long as I've been here. When will you figure out that, to us rational types, it is an insufficient process to justify belief in anything, even if one were to do it and become convinced?

Again I oversimplified my position, but in the end it still rings true. People who have been healed of HIV have been either labled a liar as you people did. or in the medical community have pointed to a weaker strain of HIV. (Which btw is counter to the whole evolution thing, but who cares so long as no one has to officially acknoweledge God.)

Would you care to explain why this is contrary to evolutionary theory? And why you opted to employ a false dichotomy, namely evolution or god, with nothing in between?

Oh, and by the way, you still haven't demonstrated that god was involved at all, so... hey.

The primary rule in evolution is the survival of the fittest. So if this is true then how is it possible for a weaker strain to over take a previously impervious strain?

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I don't know why you're attaching god to a few articles.

Spontaneous remission happens in almost every condition there is. Some progress slower than others there are actually explanations for that. It's called genetics. The article you linked from oxford just describes the phenomenon and they're studying how to replicate it in others. There's actually a guy out there who's immuned from HIV. you want to claim god did it as well? You can claim all you like, since your god seems to only take credit for the things you like and not the ones you don't.

I'm just surprised why you think anyone would believe you.

Oh, really?!?! Where were you durning the first 5 pages of this discussion when I was about to be burned at the stake for even suggesting this, let alone claiming to be one of these people?

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I don't know why you're attaching god to a few articles.

Spontaneous remission happens in almost every condition there is. Some progress slower than others there are actually explanations for that. It's called genetics. The article you linked from oxford just describes the phenomenon and they're studying how to replicate it in others. There's actually a guy out there who's immuned from HIV. you want to claim god did it as well? You can claim all you like, since your god seems to only take credit for the things you like and not the ones you don't.

I'm just surprised why you think anyone would believe you.

Oh, really?!?! Where were you durning the first 5 pages of this discussion when I was about to be burned at the stake for even suggesting this, let alone claiming to be one of these people?

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I even said this in my orginal post, that I asked God to help me change my life whatever the cost. My 'health' was the price. Once I accepted the price God refunded the cost.

God generally works with one person at a time on an indivisual level. For all others who see the help an indivisual get, God can be dismissed. (Thus ensuring they too have to make the same choice the person getting the Help had to make.) But, for the one who received the help, there is no doubt. For the indivisual that is all the 'proof' they need.

God gave you aids?

You are aware that it is mostly spread via unprotected sex, right?

This brings me back to the question: "Is God gay?"

I helped a guy at work who fell off a ladder and was really bloodied up by the fall. At that time I had not had sex with anyone.

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God generally works with one person at a time on an indivisual level. For all others who see the help an indivisual get, God can be dismissed. (Thus ensuring they too have to make the same choice the person getting the Help had to make.) But, for the one who received the help, there is no doubt. For the indivisual that is all the 'proof' they need.

This is an inefficient way to run a universe.

According to who?

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That's because my 'healing' wasn't for any of you. It was for me. It was my wake up call it was my alarm bell and it was the catylist for me to change my direction in life.

I thought your trip to hell was your wake up call?

Do you know what type of people can't keep their stories straight?

Hell got me to church. This woke me from following empty religious practices, and to seek The God of the bible.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

@Drich, this is what you said:

Drich was just setting you up, because now what's coming is his claim that god cured him of HIV.

Had you not heard that gem yet?

Drich is always setting you smeckles up.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-11671.html
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Even so if I had been offered and could afford the antivirials I would have taken them till I no longer needed them. One way or the other.

The point? God can do things like take away disease, either through conventional means or sponteanously. That is why I asked what happened to the people who stopped taking their meds. Rather than just assume that they got worse. Because if they got better we would probably never know. They would had been labeled a 'faker' of some kind even if they had a flagship symptom of AIDS and a positive HIV test.

Are you seriously thinking I'm agreeing with you?

I said spontaneous remission, you don't expect a remission, you stay on your drugs as prescribed by the doctor.

It's despicable to ask someone to go off their drugs for no good reason. If some researcher did that, he'd be sitting in a jail now.

[Captain Colostomy]

Isn't there a South Park episode where the boys prove cash money is a cure for AIDS? Sounds more plausible to me...after all, they were accurate about scientology, Mormonism and NASCAR drivers.