Abiogenesis is impossible

[Lemonvariable72]

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB040.html
Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.

credit is due where it's found, poster put some science out there.

"Amino acids found in meteorites from space",
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organic chemist w. bonner said he spent 25 years looking for a terrestrial mechanism for homochirality (one handedness) and didn't find in supporting evidence. so concluded that the source must be extraterrestrial.

"perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system"
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using 100% circularly polarized uv light, the most successful lab expers. yielded only 20% excess lefthanded.
but this results was achieve not by production but by destruction. the uv light destroyed a large fraction of the amino acid, and depending on the directional rotation of the circular polarization, one configuration of the molecules suffered significantly more destruction than the other.

so the hunt has moved to extraterrestrial for a solution. so the appeal goes out to future again.

So therefore god did and it is the god of the bible we must do as he says.

[snowtracks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7iasdKi5-8

[Whateverist]

So what she is saying is that you are essentially a two dimensional character that is just quacking off. Well played, Madam. Well played.

[Brakeman]

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB040.html
Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.

credit is due where it's found, poster put some science out there.

"Amino acids found in meteorites from space",
===========================
organic chemist w. bonner said he spent 25 years looking for a terrestrial mechanism for homochirality (one handedness) and didn't find in supporting evidence. so concluded that the source must be extraterrestrial.

"perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system"
=======================================
using 100% circularly polarized uv light, the most successful lab expers. yielded only 20% excess lefthanded.
but this results was achieve not by production but by destruction. the uv light destroyed a large fraction of the amino acid, and depending on the directional rotation of the circular polarization, one configuration of the molecules suffered significantly more destruction than the other.

so the hunt has moved to extraterrestrial for a solution. so the appeal goes out to future again.

20%? No 85%

Since this initial discovery, Soai's group has gone on to present remarkable further observations of asymmetric amplification in the reaction that now bears his name. Enantiomeric excesses as high as 85% were reported for a reaction initiated with an initiator produced at 0.1% ee from exposure to circularly polarized light http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2857173/

Anyway, you continue to go down a wrong hole. Your claim that left hand vs right hand asymmetries are rare is not contrary to natural abiogenetic theory at all. It's rarity is expected. What would be needed to negate it would be a mechanism that makes it impossible, not simply rare.

[Chas]

What you deem to be information is simply the cumulative change of successful biochemical reactions.

The information is the memory of successful biochemistry.

There is nothing more.

first sentence under dna wikipedia - Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a molecule that encodes the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms and many viruses.
so are you saying that's incorrect? or instuctions is not information?

I'm saying that you are reading too much into the word 'information'. The information is simply the accumulated successes of previous generations. That is its only source and meaning.

[snowtracks]

credit is due where it's found, poster put some science out there.

"Amino acids found in meteorites from space",
===========================
organic chemist w. bonner said he spent 25 years looking for a terrestrial mechanism for homochirality (one handedness) and didn't find in supporting evidence. so concluded that the source must be extraterrestrial.

"perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system"
=======================================
using 100% circularly polarized uv light, the most successful lab expers. yielded only 20% excess lefthanded.
but this results was achieve not by production but by destruction. the uv light destroyed a large fraction of the amino acid, and depending on the directional rotation of the circular polarization, one configuration of the molecules suffered significantly more destruction than the other.

so the hunt has moved to extraterrestrial for a solution. so the appeal goes out to future again.

20%? No 85%
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nice try but the 85% is not homochirality of amino acid. and even the authors said the one handedness could be the result of determinism.
the studies continue.

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first sentence under dna wikipedia - Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a molecule that encodes the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms and many viruses.
so are you saying that's incorrect? or instuctions is not information?

I'm saying that you are reading too much into the word 'information'. The information is simply the accumulated successes of previous generations. That is its only source and meaning.

not to be difficult but you said 'memory'.
The information is the memory of successful biochemistry

[Angrboda]

For some reason, I'm reminded of New Tokyo in Neon Genesis...

[Chas]

20%? No 85%
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nice try but the 85% is not homochirality of amino acid. and even the authors said the one handedness could be the result of determinism.
the studies continue.

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I'm saying that you are reading too much into the word 'information'. The information is simply the accumulated successes of previous generations. That is its only source and meaning.

not to be difficult but you said 'memory'.
The information is the memory of successful biochemistry

You are reading too much into the word 'memory'. There is no consciousness or will or goal or direction. It is entirely a blind algorithm.

[Esquilax]

not to be difficult but you said 'memory'.
The information is the memory of successful biochemistry

This thread has survived for weeks now, entirely based on the fact that your overly literal mind doesn't understand what a metaphor is. I hope you're proud of that.

[daandaan]

as i posted some time ago that abiogenesis is cracked...(thanks to the max planck inst. article 25 6 2013)(hcn polymerisation in cold environment...cold but exited)

creationist sites r beginning to respond on the fact that abiogenesis is cracked with a
dumb lie, like :
it isnt true becouse it had to be done in a lab , becouse the evironment would be dangerous to it to happen ..

yeah , the environment NOW would be dangerous to it ...thats why they HAD to DO IT in a lab, TO RECREATE the environment BACK then ON PREBIOTIC EARTH !! ..

and , apart from the argument ...WHERE ELSE WOULD U PREFORM RESURCH AS ---IN---- A LAB ??

hahahahahahahahaha

and the most funny thing is ...the resurch (experiments) have been done yrs ago, only they couldnt find the exact chemical solution (way) for it HOW it happened....that means the paprework wasnt ready becouse of the fact that it involved quantum tunneling in cold environment by UV light and GRB`s , so the process of the reaction was also different as they use for their refutation !!(a simple highschool level model of it)

SO THE COMPLETE ``SCIENTIFIC`` PART OF THE REFUTATION IS AS WELL BULLSHIT !!

hahahahahahahahahahaha

SO as usual ...misleading weak lies and bullshit ..

but the refutation IS imof acknoledging it did happen and they cant refute it ..(as if they could refute something for real )..

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