Abiogenesis is impossible

[Alex K]

I give you science, you give me space gnome. I'd be so convinced right now, alas, I'm not high at the moment.

[Esquilax]

That's about all you can say because not only do you have no evidence to support your materialist conception of the universe it will if anything go against the full range of evidence we actually have and have had for thousands of years!

Heh, the space gnome understands atheism less than you do!

Incidentally, am I going to get my debate, seeing as how critically easy it'll be for you to trounce me if I indeed have no evidence? I mean, the way you're hyping up your own position versus mine is wildly incommensurate with how utterly silent you're being on this whole "let's compare evidence!" deal.

[Bad Wolf]

He is scared because he knows his arguments and his 'evidence' don't stand up to scrutiny

[pocaracas]

Do what he says there.
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You're hopeless!

That's about all you can say because not only do you have no evidence to support your materialist conception of the universe it will if anything go against the full range of evidence we actually have and have had for thousands of years!

Seriously?
You've been given evidence after evidence after evidence after evidence...
And you've ignored it all...
While imposing your own wishful thinking, kool aid induced, pixie stuff that interacts with your physical brain and results in your behavior... ALL without presenting one shred of evidence for that pixie stuff!

And you have the nerve of asking for even more evidence of why you're utterly wrong??


You're hopeless.

[Sword of Christ]

Incidentally, am I going to get my debate, seeing as how critically easy it'll be for you to trounce me if I indeed have no evidence? I mean, the way you're hyping up your own position versus mine is wildly incommensurate with how utterly silent you're being on this whole "let's compare evidence!" deal.

There is 100,000 years worth of evidence from the universality human spiritual experience, at least 2500 years worth of philosophical evidence, 2000 years of theological evidence, the historical evidence of the Bible and the, the evidence of peoples life changing encounters with the risen Christ, historical evidence of the impact and change in society Christs teachings have had, the accounts of St Paul's personal experience of Christ/God, evidence of death of Jesus and the empty tomb which even secular historians accept, evidence from immense complexity and fine tuning and precise order of the cosmos and the entirety of the universe itself which suggests purpose design from a rational creative power, scientific evidence that demonstrates that the universe was created via an instant of creation as the Bible and many other faiths describe, evidence from near death and other mystical experiences too numerous to mention and evidence of numerous scientifically baffling events that run throughout the entire course and expanse of human history!

How much more evidence do you want? Throw in such facts as the inability to have freewill or any kind of objective morality according to what you believe to be true. So lets have a look at what you've got here.

1) Evidence/s throughout history of various kinds

2) Reason and logic

3) Solid philosophical arguments which you can't refute

4) Some culture, art, music architecture and so on

5) A solid foundation for morality, good works, charity and that kind of thing


Atheism offers.

1) Some kind of BS opinion of some bunch of primates who think they know everything but don't.

[Alex K]

4,5 arent evidence, 3 is not true, 2 i don't know why it is on the list, 1 isn't there.

[Sword of Christ]

4,5 arent evidence

No but these are worthwhile things to have. Atheism would just turn it all into museum pieces.

3 is not true

Your opinion feel free to demonstrate how the alternative is more reasonable/likely to be true.

1 isn't there.

I've written a massive wall of text on the evidence we have. Note that evidence isn't the same thing as scientific proof which you can't ever have and everything that science can understand becomes part of science anyway, listen to the wisdom of the Space Gnome. You can't refute facts like that.

[Alex K]

Ok let's drop the explicit wishful thinking part then (4,5) and go to 3: It's you who has to provide a solid philosophical argument which one can't refute. One is enough, really...

[Bad Wolf]

No, all you have done is claim that there is evidence. How about you put your money where your mouth is and actually present some evidence.

[Sword of Christ]

Ok let's drop the explicit wishful thinking part then (4,5) and go to 3: It's you who has to provide a solid philosophical argument which one can't refute. One is enough, really...

It's wishful thinking if you don't believe God exists to begin with but you only believe God doesn't exist because in your own opinion which is not based on evidence (evidence that can't be interpreted as being the work of a higher being so you can't use evolution and the big bang as evidence). When it comes to faith in God (faith is not knowledge you can be wrong) you have evidence/s and logic and reason to back it up with. Atheism says God doesn't exist and then doesn't explain why.