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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 18, 2014 at 2:38 pm
(August 18, 2014 at 2:33 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: I have not logged onto this website since JANUARY...and this topic is still going on?
Good Lord.
First of all, welcome back. 
I don't think this thread has a topic, anymore. It's just Snowy's one man war, across multiple topics, to get his personal opinions and interpretations of hazily written prose to be taken as concrete facts. But even shooting fish in a barrel is fun when the fish are such dopey cunts. 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm
(August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: If the flood was restricted to a relatively small area wouldn't that make the entire point of the story pointless? no, confined to deprave humanity who were confined to a relatively small area. humans defined here have a spiritual dimension; bipedal primates do not. if they did, the flood would have been more encompassing.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 5:01 am
(August 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: If the flood was restricted to a relatively small area wouldn't that make the entire point of the story pointless? no, confined to deprave humanity who were confined to a relatively small area. humans defined here have a spiritual dimension; bipedal primates do not. if they did, the flood would have been more encompassing.
That is the argument that makes your position entirely circular: see the previous page. 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 5:06 am
(August 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: If the flood was restricted to a relatively small area wouldn't that make the entire point of the story pointless? no, confined to deprave humanity who were confined to a relatively small area. humans defined here have a spiritual dimension; bipedal primates do not. if they did, the flood would have been more encompassing.
Then why gather all the animals to the ark, couldn't "god" have nudged them to a non-flooded area before the flood. he could even have told Noah where the non-flooded bits were and got him to go there without having to denude a forrest and ransack the area for all the relevant food.
Not one part of the Ark story holds up to even a small amount of prodding it is just STUPID from start to finish.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 7:02 am
The ark is broken from the keel up. Trying to salvage it is like George Lucas trying to make the best of a bad job of the Phantom Menace.
(And I'm not joking now: those last six words literally came up by themselves in my phone's autocorrect queue. )
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 7:59 am
(August 17, 2014 at 3:26 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: If the flood was restricted to a relatively small area wouldn't that make the entire point of the story pointless? it was a universal flood in respect to humanity, not physical location. the bipedal primates originating out-of-Africa, Europe, Asia are not included since they weren't capable of moral derogations.
Love it. You basically said "It was a universal flood, except it wasn't".
I am compelled to share something with you. Biblical literalists that make shit up by reading additional fiction into the story in order to reconcile the absurd with reality create an updated version even more absurd than the original. What is it about literalists, such as yourself, that make it impossible to accept Biblical tales as allegory that could be employed as reasonable tools for moral education?
Let's stay with the deluge. The most simple way for me to condense the story is to say, "actions have consequences". God in the story can represent the state, local law enforcement, head of household, a classroom teacher, etc. Straying from established behavioral norms in any particular situation will lead to consequences doled out by a recognized authority. This is a very simplistic view. The story can be analyzed and quickly lead to a discussion regarding justice and the punishment of the innocent.
Atheist and theists can have a fruitful discussion regarding Biblical teachings, but infallibilists immediately relegate themselves to the children's table at a large family dinner.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 8:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2014 at 8:05 am by Anomalocaris.)
Phantom menace may be unsalvageable, but the wreck was nonetheless materially there to be unsalvageable. Ark is unsalvageable for an even more pathetic reason.
It is necessary to point this out since even phantom menace does not deserve to be so trashed as to be compared to the ark story.
(August 21, 2014 at 7:59 am)Cato Wrote: Love it. You basically said "It was a universal flood, except it wasn't".
Replace "a universal flood" with "true", and you encapsulate in its entirety the whole second rate fraud called Christianity.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 8:17 am
(August 21, 2014 at 7:59 am)Cato Wrote: Love it. You basically said "It was a universal flood, except it wasn't".
"It was a universal flood, provided you define it to universal to humans, and it is only universal to humans so long as you define humans as those who were exposed to the flood."
That's his line of reasoning, and it might actually be the worst flood apologetic I've ever read.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 8:26 am
One could add to that without increase in circularity "it was a flood, only if you define the flood to be whatever actually happened that involved water, provided water is defined to be that which is involved in the flood"
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
August 21, 2014 at 8:30 am
(August 21, 2014 at 8:26 am)Chuck Wrote: One could add to that without increase in circularity "it was a flood, only if you define the flood to be whatever actually happened that involved water, provided water is defined to be that which is involved in the flood"
But..but guys...it's magic Godwater™
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