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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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(December 9, 2013 at 6:11 am)Esquilax Wrote: (December 8, 2013 at 10:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Meaning, he has no problem with you so long as you don't actually practice your religion. What a prick.
Just so long as that means you're actually admitting that your religion is a hostile, autocratic theocracy that has, at its center, the forcible insinuation of your own practices into every facet of life, heedless of the beliefs of the people around you, Chad. 
I'm happy to stay out of other people's bedrooms. As for me I want do gooders out of my kitchen. With respect to schools I want ALL dogmas questioned, especially in science and civics. And if players and coaches want to pray in the locker room that's their business too.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I'm happy to stay out of other people's bedrooms. As for me I want do gooders out of my kitchen. With respect to schools I want ALL dogmas questioned, especially in science and civics. And if players and coaches want to pray in the locker room that's their business too.
With regards to prayer in locker room, not that I'm an expert on prayer in schools, but hasn't that always been allowed, so long as it's not run by the coach or framed as a team exercise?
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I'm happy to stay out of other people's bedrooms. As for me I want do gooders out of my kitchen. With respect to schools I want ALL dogmas questioned, especially in science and civics. And if players and coaches want to pray in the locker room that's their business too.
With regards to prayer in locker room, not that I'm an expert on prayer in schools, but hasn't that always been allowed, so long as it's not run by the coach or framed as a team exercise? That hasn't stopped the ACLU from trying. Nor has it stopped similar efforts to cover up or remove religious monuments and mottos from money.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm
I'd say they made a mistake, putting "in god we trust" on the money in the 1950s in the first place. As for schools, all anyone can really take out is mandatory prayer and assembly. It's not like anyone can keep you from silently praying. You just shouldn't have to take time out of your day to recite something or bow your head and do nothing because you don't worship any gods.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 1:56 pm
There was one case where a student organization was prevented from using school facilities for a bible study while other groups like chess clubs had no such problem.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Chess is a secular thing. Unless they allowed other religions, and not christianity.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Chess is a secular thing. Unless they allowed other religions, and not christianity. Well fortunately the courts found that the school could not discriminate against religious student organizations.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm
I keep finding myself checking which Chad is which.
Let's see...
Chad32 is my kinda people. A reasonably clear headed Anti-Theist with a clear understanding why Chess is secular. (Even if it has Bishops.)
Then we have ChadWooters... a self described "Pompous Ass" with religious views described as Swedenborgian with no apparent ability to follow a single train of thought and (apparently) no idea why a Jew, a Muslim or an atheist might have a problem with being lead in (Christian?) prayer by the coach in a locker room. (I'm assuming we're talking about a public school in the U.S.)
My head is spinning. 
Did ANYONE, by any chance, actually listen to the Sam Harris link beyond the first 30 seconds? I challenge anyone to either dispute any of the facts he states about scripture or show why any of his conclusions or assertions are incorrect.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Try not to get confused between me and Wooty. We're like the good and evil sides of each other. In the end, though, there can be only one.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm)ThePrimeSingularity Wrote: Did ANYONE, by any chance, actually listen to the Sam Harris link beyond the first 30 seconds? I challenge anyone to either dispute any of the facts he states about scripture or show why any of his conclusions or assertions are incorrect.
I did... and then youtube thought I might want to watch the full debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7p1BjP2dA
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