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Why would God?
#21
RE: Why would God?
Those are actually fairly standard complaints about God. They've been asked so often that the fact theists haven't come up with sensible answers is VERY telling. Here's my personal favourite.

1. God knows everything, by definition.

2. If God knows everything, then God knows what will happen at a given future point.

3. According to common western theology, some people go to Heaven, some go to Hell.

4. Per #2 above, God knows - and always has known - who is going to Hell.

5. The question becomes: Why does God continually allow the creation of human beings he knows are going to suffer in hell for eternity?

Until the question is resolved, the inescapable conclusion is that the abrahamic God is a psychopathic sadist on an unimaginable scale.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#22
RE: Why would God?
(December 24, 2013 at 12:54 am)Ksa Wrote:
(December 24, 2013 at 12:32 am)Godschild Wrote: Since we're crazies it want do any good to give you answers for questions you asked. You surely wouldn't trust the answers a crazy would give you, would you?

GC

There's nothing out there GC. There's no one left to judge. The singularity exploded remember? A catastrophic failure of what you call God. When you die you will wander outside space-time, deaf, dumb and blind. Your death will be as meaningless as your birth, a mere logical consequence of your erratic existence coming to an end.

No one is with you. You are all alone. God is just a voice in your head, just like we are voices on a forum. Bites sent through a wire. Are you afraid of the dark? Get used to it, because that's where you're going. Darkness and silence so meaningless it leaves your ears ringing just at the thought of it.

Do you think God would create a zoo for losers like you, so you can play there forever just because you don't feel comfortable returning to the nothingness you came from? It is a wishful thinking of idiotic proportions. You will return to the nothingness whether you want it or not, and from the nothingness, somewhere, another living being will arise, that will not give a shit about who you were, what you believed in or what you achieved in your meaningless life.

You wrote that as if non-existence has awareness, kinda silly, don't you think so. It's not me who is afraid, you see I know that God is real, no doubts at all. You're the one who is afraid, afraid there is a God, one of love and justice, one who has power over all things. Well you might as well get us to the fact that He is real, and you will have to deal with His justice for eternity.

GC

(December 24, 2013 at 5:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Those are actually fairly standard complaints about God. They've been asked so often that the fact theists haven't come up with sensible answers is VERY telling. Here's my personal favourite.

1. God knows everything, by definition.

2. If God knows everything, then God knows what will happen at a given future point.

3. According to common western theology, some people go to Heaven, some go to Hell.

4. Per #2 above, God knows - and always has known - who is going to Hell.

5. The question becomes: Why does God continually allow the creation of human beings he knows are going to suffer in hell for eternity?

Until the question is resolved, the inescapable conclusion is that the abrahamic God is a psychopathic sadist on an unimaginable scale.

Boru

We've given you and the rest true answers, you have chosen to ignore them and that's your right, as given to you by God. There is a punishment to come in the future for turning a deaf ear and blind eye.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#23
RE: Why would God?
Yeah, that'll do it GC Dodgy.

You do realise warning an atheist about Hell is as effective as someone warning you about the frost giants right?
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#24
RE: Why would God?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: You wrote that as if non-existence has awareness, kinda silly, don't you think so.

Deaf dumb and blind is a metaphor for the lack of awareness.

(December 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's not me who is afraid, you see I know that God is real, no doubts at all.

I know that 2+2=5, I have no doubts, if people failed my math tests is because they don't believe that 2+2=5, I am not afraid, i know I'm right. If only they could see it too the way I see it.

You fail@Life.

(December 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who is afraid, afraid there is a God, one of love and justice, one who has power over all things. Well you might as well get us to the fact that He is real, and you will have to deal with His justice for eternity.

GC

Love is a raise in extracellular dopamine characteristic of begetting, as an animal act, belonging to the lower animal functions of sex. God does not BEGET a son. God does not LOVE. God does not make sex.

Justice is not real, it's a common human belief based on a constantly shifting social balance designed to benefit all. If a thief takes your money he forever benefits without any divine consequence. Your brain is washed.
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#25
RE: Why would God?
Come on GC, less of that. You know that threats of hellfire doesn't bother us at all because it's not real.
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#26
RE: Why would God?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Come on GC, less of that. You know that threats of hellfire doesn't bother us at all because it's not real.

Yes he mentions eternal punishment often, but our brother seems to forget that the most accurate description of such punishement is not found in the Bible, but in the Qur'an, in Surat An-Nisā' Chapter 4, verse 56 which says:

"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."

If you do SHIRK, if you associate other partners with GOD like Jeeeesus, that's what happens. Why new skins? Because there's pain receptors in the skin that get deactivated with temperature and stop responding to pain.
Our smart-ass brother wants to scare people with God but he ignores the fact that if God really exists, he's worshiping the wrong one! And is doomed for Hell! Because God does not beget a son! Because begging is animal act! It belongs to the lower animal functions of sex! Haven't WE made our signs clear to you? That God does not beget.

Worshipping a man who never claimed divinity is purely idiotic since there's 10,000s of ohers who DID claim divinity. Why worship the one MAN who didn't. Why worship the son of MAN! And then threaten people that if they don't worship the son of MAN they are doomed. Look what God says about that, in Surat Al-Baqarah 2:111:

"And they say, "None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian." That is [merely] their wishful thinking, Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful.""

You think you're a Christian and you'll go to heaven. Wishful thinking! You'll burn in Hell, and as often as your skin is roasting, God will give you fresh skin so that you may feel the pain. The Bible doesn't even talk about how new skins would be required for pain to continue, so why would anyone believe in that load of disgusting pornography? If the brother keeps on worshiping that puny little JEESUS that made his mother impure for 40 days and was circumcised when he was 8 days old, that's what happens to him...IF God exists, which we know, he doesn't. God, getting circumcised?

I don't think it's in the advantage of our Christian brother to stand on the side of God because God hates him. He hates his guts for worshiping a PROPHET! A MAN! Son of MAN! What a silly stupid man to think a child who made his mother impure for 40 days and was circumcised when he was 8 days old, that he was GOD. That he was Jehovah! That he was Allah! Haven't WE made our signs clear to you? That both Jesus and Mary had FOOD. When you have FOOD you're a call of nature! You have to run find a BUSH or a rock, before you let go in your pants! You can't be helped! You are not GOD! You're a pants shat human like everyone else. Surat Al-Mā'idah 5:75 says:

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded."

They both had FOOD. Mary is the MOTHER of God! But then she went to take a shit like everybody else. Was her shit God too? Or only the son? Why only make one exception? That only what she shits through one hole is God? What about the other hole? What comes out of that one, is it not God too? Very silly and idiotic indeed, in Hell he will burn, if at all. If they're such godly people then they don't have FOOD.
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#27
RE: Why would God?
Quote:We've given you and the rest true answers, you have chosen to ignore them and that's your right, as given to you by God. There is a punishment to come in the future for turning a deaf ear and blind eye.

Then be good enough to answer the following question:

Why does God continually allow the creation of people he knows are going to suffer for eternity? (I'll give you a hint: The answer is NOT 'free will')

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#28
RE: Why would God?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: You wrote that as if non-existence has awareness, kinda silly, don't you think so. It's not me who is afraid, you see I know that God is real, no doubts at all. You're the one who is afraid, afraid there is a God, one of love and justice, one who has power over all things. Well you might as well get us to the fact that He is real, and you will have to deal with His justice for eternity.

GC



We've given you and the rest true answers, you have chosen to ignore them and that's your right, as given to you by God. There is a punishment to come in the future for turning a deaf ear and blind eye.

GC

Love and justice? If he loves then why is there justice? There is no "love" in justice!

Punishment form the loving god? Why punish us for the FREE WILL he has given us? Why punish us for the sin(s) he has given us?


Honestly why are you NOT afraid of this bipolar god of yours?
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#29
RE: Why would God?
Oh and incidentally GC, you don't know god exists, you believe that he does. Knowledge is demonstrable: if you can't show it, you don't know it.

It's funny how willing christians are to mess with words.
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#30
RE: Why would God?
(December 24, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Come on GC, less of that. You know that threats of hellfire doesn't bother us at all because it's not real.

I threatened no one with hell, the judgement is not mine to threaten with, however it would be negligent of me not to warn one of what could be.

GC

(December 24, 2013 at 5:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:We've given you and the rest true answers, you have chosen to ignore them and that's your right, as given to you by God. There is a punishment to come in the future for turning a deaf ear and blind eye.

Then be good enough to answer the following question:

Why does God continually allow the creation of people he knows are going to suffer for eternity? (I'll give you a hint: The answer is NOT 'free will')

Boru

Sure it is, all have free will. God allows His creation to continue because there are some yet to be born that will be saved.

GC

(December 24, 2013 at 8:26 pm)StoryBook Wrote:
(December 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Godschild Wrote:







Love and justice? If he loves then why is there justice? There is no "love" in justice!

Punishment form the loving god? Why punish us for the FREE WILL he has given us? Why punish us for the sin(s) he has given us?


Honestly why are you NOT afraid of this bipolar god of yours?

There is always love in justice, if God gave us what we truly deserve then we would have something to be afraid of.
God gives no one sin people choose it over God's will. Your choice your sin.
I see no reason to be afraid of my loving God, now for those who decide to reject Him, they are the ones who should fear Him.

GC

(December 25, 2013 at 1:37 am)Esquilax Wrote: Oh and incidentally GC, you don't know god exists, you believe that he does. Knowledge is demonstrable: if you can't show it, you don't know it.

It's funny how willing christians are to mess with words.

You are making a statement you can not prove period, it's funny how atheist play with words to suit their needs. Because I have knowledge of God doesn't mean I have to bring demonstrable evidence to you. Sorry bub but you have failed here.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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