God - a study in pointlessness.

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I do feel like God's playtoy at times. Akin to a Capsela piece or something like that. Kind of hard to believe in, much less worship, a god like that.

[Lek]

Can anyone tell me why, if there is a God, he created the world in the first place. It would be a bit self-indulgent of him, surely. Wouldn't he have to be some sort of a power crazed Voyeur to do any of this in the first place? Why would a just and loving God create a world and then watch its creatures suffering for millennium after millennium.

What the hell was God thinking? I have yet to hear a convincing argument advanced about this. Perhaps non atheists could take a shot at answering this question

I'm glad to see that you, like myself, are interested in why the world was created. I know it was because God wanted to, but I don't know his specific reasons. He could have also created billions of other universes with totally different properties than ours for different reasons, which boggles my mind to think about. The atheist option to God creating this world is that everything is just here for no purpose - it just is. Either everything always was or it just popped into existence from whatever was here before everything was. I don't think that because God created the world that all of our problems can be blamed on God. Starving children are usually caused by things like oppressive governments or anarchy. In places where people are miserable, the misery is usually caused by other people. I'd say that people in free countries are less miserable that those in which tyranny prevails. Do you really think that this world is just a place where creatures suffer for millennium after millennium? I think it's a lot more than that.

[RobbyPants]

Can anyone tell me why, if there is a God, he created the world in the first place. It would be a bit self-indulgent of him, surely. Wouldn't he have to be some sort of a power crazed Voyeur to do any of this in the first place? Why would a just and loving God create a world and then watch its creatures suffering for millennium after millennium.

According to the apologists, it's because he's narcissistic, capricious, and has serious self esteem problems. Of course, they would never word it that way, but it is the logical conclusion of the apologetics once they start trying to explain why God allows evil and suffering.

[The Reality Salesman01]

I don't think that because God created the world that all of our problems can be blamed on God.

I assume that when you say world, that you are also under the impression that your God also created everything else. Whether or not you limit God's creation to this universe or are inclined to extend it to another one or an infinite number of them, I have no guess. But I'm guessing it's safe to assume that you did not intend on limiting your God's accomplishments to Earth alone, but literally EVERYTHING ON IT THAT HAS EVER EXISTED, and ALL of that which surrounds it? I'm curious to see how you plan on absolving this God of the events which transpired upon the world you believe he created using the omniscient properties you no doubt will concede that you also attribute to him...

...Starving children are usually caused by things like oppressive governments or anarchy. In places where people are miserable, the misery is usually caused by other people.

You must realize that this does absolutely nothing but make you look as though you are a complete dumbass. Please excuse my tactful approach, but literally everything you've said (if my assumptions about your beliefs are true) contradicts your entire belief system. THAT, or you don't understand what would constitute a legitimate placing of blame.

Which is it?

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Do you really think that this world is just a place where creatures suffer for millennium after millennium? I think it's a lot more than that.

Yes, I'm sure you do. But you do recognize that it IS that, you merely push the envelope. To you, it's a place where creatures suffer for millennium after millennium AND, there's a place where people suffer and are willfully tortured FOR ETERNITY by order of the very being you believe those who do not believe that your imaginary friend is anything but an absurd concept plaguing on the otherwise capable thinking vessels in which this idea occupies...

Much more indeed.

[Lek]

You must realize that this does absolutely nothing but make you look as though you are a complete dumbass. Please excuse my tactful approach, but literally everything you've said (if my assumptions about your beliefs are true) contradicts your entire belief system. THAT, or you don't understand what would constitute a legitimate placing of blame.

What I just stated is my belief. Do you know what I believe better than I do? What is it I believe?

[ThePinsir]

Starving children are usually caused by things like oppressive governments or anarchy. In places where people are miserable, the misery is usually caused by other people. I'd say that people in free countries are less miserable that those in which tyranny prevails. Do you really think that this world is just a place where creatures suffer for millennium after millennium? I think it's a lot more than that.

What's the difference between that - and no god at all?

[Lek]

Starving children are usually caused by things like oppressive governments or anarchy. In places where people are miserable, the misery is usually caused by other people. I'd say that people in free countries are less miserable that those in which tyranny prevails. Do you really think that this world is just a place where creatures suffer for millennium after millennium? I think it's a lot more than that.

What's the difference between that - and no god at all?

The situation can exist whether there is a god or not. What I was saying is "why blame God for it?"

[Foxaèr]

What I was saying is "why blame God for it?"

Because a supposedly all powerful and all loving god would actually attempt to make this a better world for its creations rather than watch the horrific drama as though we are an entertaining reality show for it.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Atheism: a study in hopelessness.

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What I was saying is "why blame God for it?"

Because a supposedly all powerful and all loving god would actually attempt to make this a better world for its creations rather than watch the horrific drama as though we are an entertaining reality show for it.

Prove your claim that an intelligent being that knows all that can be known and is capable doing anything it is possible to do could indeed have made a better world.

[max-greece]

Atheism: a study in hopelessness.

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Because a supposedly all powerful and all loving god would actually attempt to make this a better world for its creations rather than watch the horrific drama as though we are an entertaining reality show for it.

Prove your claim that an intelligent being that knows all that can be known and is capable doing anything it is possible to do could indeed have made a better world.

Theist demands proof. You saw it here folks - if you can believe your eyes.

Dunno Chad - how about a simple change to the female malaria carrying mosquito so it didn't suck blood and millions didn't die of the disease? Let it eat nectar and fruit like the male does.

Now tell me how the world wouldn't have been a better place had God chosen to do that.