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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2014 at 5:24 pm by C4RM5.)
I know not to judge others I realise that I am a sinner and I have the biggest plank in my eye nad I pray daily for God to give me the strenght ro remove it.
I know we live in an inperfect world I know there is nothing to stop women from having abortions, I disagree with it but it still happens just like I disagree with things that I do, I just pray that it with stop.
(October 6, 2014 at 5:15 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 5:05 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: What do you mean, I honestly hope that I am not causing others to sin...
You missed a word...
Jesus addresses your behavior, and instructs you not to judge the actions of others. You'd be well advised not to judge others (people who have abortions) if you hope to actually have an authentic relationship with your god.
Jesus didn't just address my behaviour he addresses all of us.
(October 6, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 5:12 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: We don't live in a perfect world, but if we did no one would need an abortion. To me it seems a bit self centred. If a woman doesn't want to feel uncomfortable for 9 months it is then perfectly legal to kill an unborn child.
Really? Did you really just say that? 'If a woman doesn't want to feel uncomfortable for 9 months'? Are you fucking stupid? Pregnancy can and does cause all sorts of problems with the human body, during and after. Chronic problems. And some women today still die from childbirth. And you have the fucking arrogance to just say 'uncomfortable'. Ignorant prick.
Maybe I am just ignorant, I hope that abortions and other problems in the world wouldn't take place but nohing and no one is perfect.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Without the legal right to abortion women will use any method they can to try and get rid of it. Have you not seen Dirty Dancing.
So state sanctioned abortions is the better option.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 5:25 pm
I understand your point of view
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I know not to judge others I realise that I am a sinner and I have the biggest plank in my eye nad I pray daily for God to give me the strenght ro remove it.
I know we live in an inperfect world I know there is nothing to stop women from having abortions, I disagree with it but it still happens just like I disagree with things that I do, I just pray that it with stop.
How would you like it if I kidnapped you and hooked you up to my unconscious sick cousin to filter his blood through your kidneys for an indefinite period of time? Seriously I want an actual answer from you. Quote the questions I ask and actually reply to them.
Do you think that his right to life, is more important than your bodily autonomy in this situation? To put it in simpler terms: If given the choice, would you unhook your self from my cousin? Remember, the only thing keeping him alive is you.
(October 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Maybe I am just ignorant, I hope that abortions and other problems in the world wouldn't take place but nohing and no one is perfect.
Yea, I would love to live in a world where abortion isn't neccessary. I would also love to live in a world with no wars or crimes, I would love to leave my front door unlocked when I leave the house, but I can't. Abortion is an unfortunate but neccessary reality of life, and outlawing it is both impractical and immoral.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 6:14 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Jesus didn't just address my behaviour he addresses all of us. You are the one having a relationship with him. He addresses you. As I've said before, if you focus on the actions of others, rather than putting all of your devotion into following Jesus, you are among those whom he judges as sinful. Be careful.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 6:24 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Carm, going to press you on a straight answer again. Should it be legal for a rape victim to abort? Yes or no.
The way the system is currently set up, no I think the child should be born then shown to the mother so she can decide to murder an innocent life that came into existance as a result of the mistakes of others.
Oh, you mean like....
http://www.faqs.org/childhood/A-Ar/Ancie...-Rome.html
Quote:In the Greek world, births most probably took place in the women's quarters, exclusively in the presence of women and with the help of a midwife. Giving birth could be hazardous to the mothers due in part to inadequate standards of HYGIENE, in part because most first-time mothers had barely passed PUBERTY. To announce the gender of a live birth, the family decorated the doorway with wool to designate a girl, and with a wreath of olive for a boy. The household head, the kyrios, had the right to accept the children and could reject them based on gender, size of the family, physical deformity or frailty, economic considerations, legitimacy, or because they were the offspring of slaves. Disposal was arranged through exposure, a process that involved abandoning an infant to its death to the elements. This practice, rather than simply killing the infant, may have developed because it freed the household from bloodguilt, or because parents truly believed that they were placing their exposed infants in the care of the gods. Exposure remains a topic of continuing controversy. In Sparta, exposure of physically weak or sickly infants was demanded by law and determined by the elders of the tribes rather than the household head.
We've advanced a bit since the Greeks. We can now determine if a fetus is deformed earlier on. This is called "progress."
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 6:34 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:09 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The conclusion that I came up with is common sense to me, killing an unborn children because you were raped will not make you feel any better afterwards.
Oh, I see... it's out of concern for the mother! Thank you so much for your compassion!
Tell you what: women are perfectly capable of their own feelings; no need to impose.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 6:37 pm
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 6:50 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)Chas Wrote: That argument is mighty flawed. It's really a bad analogy. By condeming abortion I am giving a fetus their human rights to a life.
Yes, you are. Why do you think a bunch of cells with no brain is a human being?
(October 6, 2014 at 4:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Chas Wrote: No, it doesn't.
A single cell is not a human being.
Well I challenge you to go find proof to support that statement and present it here. As far as I can see the statement is true. My original source of peer reviewed backing has been removed. I'd be open to be corrected. I have no axe to grind here.
Which statement?
Are you are claiming that a single cell is a human being?
Are you claiming that life begins with a fertilized egg?
Are you claiming both?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 7:23 pm
I'm afraid at that stage, we are no more human than any chordate
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