(October 6, 2014 at 4:24 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Lol @ Frodo invoking science.

Troll back at fatty not having an argument once again.

Scientific consensus is that human life begins at fertilisation. That's different from 'personhood' the sticking point that pro lifers argue with.

Let me make the usual disclaimer to help you avoid trolling further... there always has to be a choice and removing that choice removes moral responsibility. Only the person/s making the choice will know all the facts to them which lead them to decide what to do.

(October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Carm, going to press you on a straight answer again. Should it be legal for a rape victim to abort? Yes or no.

The way the system is currently set up, no I think the child should be born then shown to the mother so she can decide to murder an innocent life that came into existance as a result of the mistakes of others.

(October 6, 2014 at 4:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Carm, going to press you on a straight answer again. Should it be legal for a rape victim to abort? Yes or no.

The way the system is currently set up, no I rhink the child should be born then shown to the mother so she can decide to murder an innocent life that came into existance as a result of the mistakes of others.

There ya go ShaMan.

Ockey Dockey

(October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I think if it were to happen the gild would have to be boen first and then the mother can decide whether or not to murder the child. You have to see the person you are going to murder first, without doing so you are cold and heartless.

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While I disagree with this method, I do see the stark image that you are representing. I also see you saying that the mother still has a choice.

(October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Haven't read the entire thread so this has probably been said before but oh well. If you honestly believe that a foetus is a person with all the rights of a person then I fail to see how you have a problem with abortion. We wouldn't allow someone to kidnap someone else, hook themselves up to their kidneys and filter their blood to stay alive. Can you not see that by condemning abortion, you are giving foetuses special rights. You are giving them more rights than an actual person.

That argument is mighty flawed. It's really a bad analogy.

By condeming abortion I am giving a fetus their human rights to a life.

(October 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I think if it were to happen the gild would have to be boen first and then the mother can decide whether or not to murder the child. You have to see the person you are going to murder first, without doing so you are cold and heartless.

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While I disagree with this method, I do see the stark image that you are representing. I also see you saying that the mother still has a choice.

Huh? The mother- the rape victim - has no choice at all in the pregnancy and birth under this idea.

With the abortion idea the child has no choice what so ever

(October 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(October 6, 2014 at 4:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The way the system is currently set up, no I rhink the child should be born then shown to the mother so she can decide to murder an innocent life that came into existance as a result of the mistakes of others.

There ya go ShaMan.

(October 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I think if it were to happen the gild would have to be boen first and then the mother can decide whether or not to murder the child. You have to see the person you are going to murder first, without doing so you are cold and heartless.

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While I disagree with this method, I do see the stark image that you are representing. I also see you saying that the mother still has a choice.

Booooo C4RM5

What do you mean ShaMan.

I would prefer that nether of these ever took place but I am just trying to create an image.