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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 4:46 pm
(April 19, 2016 at 12:31 am)snowtracks Wrote: But did you catch what Weinberg was saying about the multiverse? which is even if there was evidence that it existed, that at least 10^56 universes would have to populate it in order to expect an universe like ours. *
An appeal to the multiverse is where nontheists have gone in their attempt to escape God but it’s just a metaphysical speculation that would requires trillions of universes to duplicate the delicate fine-tuning this one required for advanced life just in the first nanosecond.
* around the 10 min mark
If there were a possibility of more than one universe, what makes you think there would not be an infinite number of universes? What would be the the 'limiting' factor for a finite number of universes?
And if there were a god, how can you think that us piddling little humans is enough to entertain it? If it could create one universe, then it could create more than one, so theist or non-theist, it is possible that there are "many worlds" and there would be no limiting factor.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm
Q: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
A: God Himself will do. Bring Him round for tea and I'll check Him out. If He is really, really convincing I'll believe in Him. If not, straight back into the round file He goes.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 10:46 pm
(April 19, 2016 at 4:46 pm)IATIA Wrote: (April 19, 2016 at 12:31 am)snowtracks Wrote: But did you catch what Weinberg was saying about the multiverse? which is even if there was evidence that it existed, that at least 10^56 universes would have to populate it in order to expect an universe like ours. *
An appeal to the multiverse is where nontheists have gone in their attempt to escape God but it’s just a metaphysical speculation that would requires trillions of universes to duplicate the delicate fine-tuning this one required for advanced life just in the first nanosecond.
* around the 10 min mark
If there were a possibility of more than one universe, what makes you think there would not be an infinite number of universes? What would be the the 'limiting' factor for a finite number of universes?
And if there were a god, how can you think that us piddling little humans is enough to entertain it? If it could create one universe, then it could create more than one, so theist or non-theist, it is possible that there are "many worlds" and there would be no limiting factor. The multiverse is a nonempirical argument; our powers of investigation are constrained by the universe’s space-time dimensions.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm
(April 19, 2016 at 10:46 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The multiverse is a nonempirical argument; our powers of investigation are constrained by the universe’s space-time dimensions.
And you are sure of that? Is your god that weak?
Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm
Where's he going to run for cover next? 
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm
(April 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm)IATIA Wrote: (April 19, 2016 at 10:46 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The multiverse is a nonempirical argument; our powers of investigation are constrained by the universe’s space-time dimensions.
And you are sure of that? Is your god that weak?
Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist There are three basic multiverse models proposed, this is undoubtedly is Level 1 which is: In the current case, we’re talking about the kind of multiverse predicted by the theory of eternal inflation. The notion that our universe underwent a brief, intense period of expansion after the Big Bang was introduced by MIT cosmologist Alan Guth —along with Stanford’s Andrei Linde and Princeton’s Paul Steinhardt — in the 1980s. “I would say most versions of inflation in fact lead to eternal inflation, producing a number of pocket universes,” Guth told New Scientist. As I wrote over at last year.
This doesn't mean Level 11 which is the bubble universes. And even if it did, God can also create them for his own purpose. But per scripture, Christ only died once for all.
http://gizmodo.com/we-probably-havent-fo...1740611389
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 22, 2016 at 1:03 am
(April 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Q: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
A: God Himself will do. Bring Him round for tea and I'll check Him out. If He is really, really convincing I'll believe in Him. If not, straight back into the round file He goes. Even Darwin had enough evidence -
'he did state that the Creator was there at the beginning, and "breathed" the laws of natural selection into early forms of life, to enable them to adapt to changing climates, etc. '
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...t_god.html
Everyone believes in God. " ... His invisible qualities - eternal power, and divine nature have been clearly seen .... Rom 1:20. Therefore no convincing is needed. This forum needs a new name.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 22, 2016 at 1:05 am
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Can you hear yourself? "My book says ... so it must be true." Can you seriously not see a problem with such a statement?
No, it's possible Darwin could be right about some things and wrong about others. If he "had enough evidence" for whatever God, it has not been preserved for us to examine. A quote from him, in context or otherwise, is not evidence of anything but his state of mind.
We don't believe (some of) his ideas just because he said them. We believe them because they have passed scrutiny. And I should note that his models of evolution have been significantly improved upon in the mean time. Again, by scientific testing. Not by appeals to authority.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 22, 2016 at 9:27 am
(April 22, 2016 at 1:03 am)snowtracks Wrote: (April 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Q: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
A: God Himself will do. Bring Him round for tea and I'll check Him out. If He is really, really convincing I'll believe in Him. If not, straight back into the round file He goes. Even Darwin had enough evidence -
'he did state that the Creator was there at the beginning, and "breathed" the laws of natural selection into early forms of life, to enable them to adapt to changing climates, etc. '
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...t_god.html
Everyone believes in God. " ... His invisible qualities - eternal power, and divine nature have been clearly seen .... Rom 1:20. Therefore no convincing is needed. This forum needs a new name.
Oh wow you want us to take a far right blog well known for its loose atitude towards the truth as gospel? Well I do suppose you want us to take the gospels as gospel, so there's my answer.
It is well known that beecause of the events of his life and his scientific discoveries (his geological work was what got him inot the Royal Society) Darwin's religious views went from anglicanism to agnosticism by the end of his life. It was so well known that prominent fundies, such as Lady Hope, spent years after his death lying about converting him.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
April 22, 2016 at 11:07 am
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(April 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Q: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
A: God Himself will do. Bring Him round for tea and I'll check Him out. If He is really, really convincing I'll believe in Him. If not, straight back into the round file He goes.
Sadly, you're about 2000 years to late. But I hear He's going to drop by again someday soon.
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