Abortion is love

[John V]

I addressed it as well, at the top of the page:

Uh, no, two choices doesn't necessarily indicate a 50% chance of each. 


You guys frequently complain about indoctrination of children. Now you pretend as if parents' belief have no effect on their children. Proverbs says that if you train up a child in the way he should go, he won't depart from it when he's older. Proverbs are generalities and not guarantees, but this agrees with the frequent observation of atheists. So, there's a high probability of the children of the saved ending up saved themselves.

[Brian37]

Or you can skip the fictional sky hero crap, mind your own business, and don't assume female having one got pregnant like winning a door prize at keg party and is going to blow a New Years party favor noise maker and is having fun.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Suppose a parent wants his kid to go to heaven but doesn't really like the idea of abortion.  The good news is that he gets a second chance to ensure that the kid gets to heaven.  All he has to do is see that the kid gets buried alive.  Then the kid ends up in paradise!  How cool is that?

"Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2515

Narrated Hasana' daughter of Mu'awiyah:

She reported on the authority of her paternal uncle: I asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Who are in Paradise? He replied: Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise, infants are in Paradise and children buried alive are in Paradise."
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Index.html

BTW, it says that babies go to heaven regardless of how they die.  But once they become a child (toddler?) they have to be buried alive to make it.  And if they escape childhood intact then they have to become one of the five types of martyr.  

So many options!

[The Grand Nudger]

I wonder if that counts in cases where people are buried up to their necks and hit on the head with rocks until dead?  How much of a stickler is Allah, you know?  Does the sand have to be over the ears, or can it be under the ears? Four inches might be all that separates paradise from perdition.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I wonder if that counts in cases where people are buried up to their necks and hit on the head with rocks until dead?  How much of a stickler is Allah, you know?  Does the sand have to be over the ears, or can it be under the ears?  Four inches might be all that separates paradise from perdition.

Religious beliefs are dangerous.

[Bob Kelso]

"Good with" is too ambiguous to address.

Fair enough. "Good with" as in; you condone the practice.

 For practical purposes, I've yet to see an alternative to might makes right. Do you have a suggestion?

Within deity to mortal relations? Sure. Imagination's the limit on alternatives for an omni-being, things don't have to be any certain way when unlimited potential is involved. Establishing equal relations and demonstrating a better path being one, and no relationship at all being another.

As for human relations? It's obviously the easier route, and a matter of opinion, but I would expect better out of a god. 

Morality is a matter of opinion. If you're in a gang, it may be morally correct to you to kill a rival gang member in certain circumstances. Society at large says that such killing is morally incorrect. The difference is that society has instituted powers greater than that of the gang. Sure, the gang member can sit in jail and complain that he was justified in what he did. It's a matter of opinion. But it's not going to do him any good.

See above.

[robvalue]

No theist has as yet addressed the point about people picking the wrong religion.

You must have missed my comment on:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-35972-po...pid1051404

You say that one must choose the right religion but most mainstream and many off-beat Christian denominations are not as exclusionary or the choice as binary as you say. Most churches make allowances for people ignorant of Christ, the perfectly contrite, righteous heathens, etc.

- Me

This still seems to be assuming Christianity is true. If God is in fact some other one you've never heard of, and he's not so inclusive, the baby is screwed.

There is an infinity of possible gods, each with an infinity of heaven requirements. It's why Pascals Wager is such a broken argument.

In fact, that is another possible counter to my argument. Not only could there be reasonable doubt that any religion is actually true, but if another one is true that doesn't accommodate baby murders into heaven, it wouldn't be a good move. However, you'd all still be guessing as to what you were actually meant to do to get there. If he even has a heaven.

[John V]

Within deity to mortal relations? Sure. Imagination's the limit on alternatives for an omni-being, things don't have to be any certain way when unlimited potential is involved. Establishing equal relations and demonstrating a better path being one, and no relationship at all being another.

Those would still be considered right due to the omni being's omnipotence, i.e. it's still might makes right, you're just changing what the being in power considers to be right.

[John V]

Or you can skip the fictional sky hero crap, mind your own business, and don't assume female having one got pregnant like winning a door prize at  keg party and is going to blow a New Years party favor noise maker and is having fun.

What kind of babbling bullshit is this?

[houseofcantor]

Or you can skip the fictional sky hero crap, mind your own business, and don't assume female having one got pregnant like winning a door prize at  keg party and is going to blow a New Years party favor noise maker and is having fun.

What kind of babbling bullshit is this?

Brian.