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How to find forces that are not yet known?
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 7:32 am (This post was last modified: September 20, 2015 at 7:34 am by Alex K.)
(September 20, 2015 at 7:31 am)robvalue Wrote: I'd kudos that if I understood it Tongue

Trying to be clearer: the upshot is - forces are caused by the exchange of particles. If you've made the particle, you've effectively discovered the force.

Other types of forces would show up as deviations from Einstein's laws of gravity.
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 7:38 am (This post was last modified: September 20, 2015 at 8:27 am by robvalue.)
Ah! I got that. Thanks Smile

It seems we can be a lot more pro-active than I was aware. Good thing I'm not in charge Tongue
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 10:28 am
Looking for discrepancies in existing data/theory has worked in the past.

Newton's theory of gravity didn't quite explain the advance of the perihelion of the planet Mercury as it orbits the sun. Einstein explained it (he did the maths) and in the process explained something no one had yet noticed (gravitational deflection of starlight near the sun) and that was checked out during the next conveniently located total solar eclipse.
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 11:33 am
It starts with the basic senses, sight, sound, touch. If an object or force leaves an impression in our perception, we are able to discern that force and refine our understanding of it through observation and experiment. Once we learn to measure the forces that we can sense, we can look for other forces affecting those through measurements. Chaining this way, we can discover more and more forces. But it all starts with the basic senses. If there is a force which doesn't interact with any of these chains of forces, we will never discover it; it will be invisible for all intents and purposes.
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 2:44 pm
And can safely be ignored.
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm
Drop your light sabre into a strong gravity well and observe the results.

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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 21, 2015 at 4:06 am
(September 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Drop your light sabre into a strong gravity well and observe the results.

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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 21, 2015 at 7:47 am
(September 20, 2015 at 11:33 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: But it all starts with the basic senses.  If there is a force which doesn't interact with any of these chains of forces, we will never discover it; it will be invisible for all intents and purposes.

Please don't give the theists any more ideas about where they can squeeze their polyfilla god into...
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 21, 2015 at 7:53 am
If your religious this is a non issue, They exist because my book says they do.
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RE: How to find forces that are not yet known?
September 21, 2015 at 8:19 am
(September 21, 2015 at 7:47 am)ignoramus Wrote:
(September 20, 2015 at 11:33 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: But it all starts with the basic senses.  If there is a force which doesn't interact with any of these chains of forces, we will never discover it; it will be invisible for all intents and purposes.

Please don't give the theists any more ideas about where they can squeeze their polyfilla god into...
A force that doesn't effect anything is just as existant as a force that doesn't exist in the eyes of science.
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