Can a Positron be Turned into an Electron?

[GrandizerII]

I’m glad you’re enjoying this, Boru.

I am, but I enjoy almost everything.  It's my nature.

Liked your post above about the immoral positrons.

Thank you.

As you may, or may not, know, I’m writing a fantasy novel where all these particles are real living beings interacting with each other. Alex has really been helping me create a plot that is both accessible to layreaders while at the same time won’t make professionals like himself shake their heads and groan.

I didn't know, but best of luck with it.  I hope it makes best seller lists the world over, and Disney options the film rights.  I'd like to suggest Johnny Depp for the role of Evil Lepton Overlord.

Boru

No! Anything but Disney ...

[Rhondazvous]

The truth is it depends. In the Standard Model without neutrino masses it seems impossible because of a thing called lepton number conservation, but if neutrinos are their own antiparticles, it is possible (but would be extremely rare) that an electron turns into a positron by catching two W+ bosons in a row: the first W+ would turn the electron into a neutrino (this is standard physics), the neutrino being the same as an antineutrino (if they are their own anti-particle which is unknown), and then the antineutrino turning into a positron by catching another W+ boson, which is again standard physics.

The reverse process can then happen if a positron catches two W- bosons. The W bosons might come from atoms in the vicinity and change one type of nucleus into another in the course of this exchange, but as I said this would be an incredibly rare occurrence.

A closely related physical process called "neutrinoless double beta decay" is actually currently being searched for, precisely in order to prove that neutrinos indeed are their own antiparticles.

As vorlon says, you can always *make* positrons by smashing an electron into something with enough energy or vice versa, but I didn't exactly count that as changing the electron into a positron, which I interpret as having an identifiable particle which gets turned from one in the other by some influence.

I was trying to get a better idea of how this process works and found a website which claims to explain this interaction between w bosons and leptons. So far it has been useful in helping me misunderstand what you're saying.

I thought I understood the Feynman diagram, but the explanation threw me off. According to the website, w bosons connect leptons to neutrinos, which is a far cry from turning leptons into neutrinos.

Plus, I don't see anything in the diagram that represents a neutrino. It has the leptons veer off to the left to meet the boson, then veer off to the right and the end product I can't make out. It looks like Ve. Is that the symbol for a neutrino?

http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2010/07/02...things-up/

[vorlon13]

Kinda hard to tell after a collision which bits of debris have been invoked by the surfeit of energy, and which are shards of the original turtle.

[Rhondazvous]

The truth is it depends. In the Standard Model without neutrino masses it seems impossible because of a thing called lepton number conservation, but if neutrinos are their own antiparticles, it is possible (but would be extremely rare) that an electron turns into a positron by catching two W+ bosons in a row: the first W+ would turn the electron into a neutrino (this is standard physics), the neutrino being the same as an antineutrino (if they are their own anti-particle which is unknown), and then the antineutrino turning into a positron by catching another W+ boson, which is again standard physics.

The reverse process can then happen if a positron catches two W- bosons. The W bosons might come from atoms in the vicinity and change one type of nucleus into another in the course of this exchange, but as I said this would be an incredibly rare occurrence.

A closely related physical process called "neutrinoless double beta decay" is actually currently being searched for, precisely in order to prove that neutrinos indeed are their own antiparticles.

As vorlon says, you can always *make* positrons by smashing an electron into something with enough energy or vice versa, but I didn't exactly count that as changing the electron into a positron, which I interpret as having an identifiable particle which gets turned from one in the other by some influence.

I was trying to get a better idea of how this process works and found a website which claims to explain this interaction between w bosons and leptons. So far it has been useful in helping me misunderstand what you're saying.

I thought I understood the Feynman diagram, but the explanation threw me off. According to the website, w bosons connect leptons to neutrinos, which is a far cry from turning leptons into neutrinos.

Plus, I don't see anything in the diagram that represents a neutrino.  It has the leptons veer off to the left to meet the boson, then veer off to the right and the end product I can't make out.  It looks like Ve. Is that the symbol for a neutrino?

http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2010/07/02...things-up/

This slipped way down the page. But I hope you have time to look at it.

[Alex K]

The greek letter nu which looks like a v is indeed the symbol for neutrinos