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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 11, 2016 at 9:37 pm
(February 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (February 11, 2016 at 5:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Makes me want to have them removed from their home. Are you a proponent of big government? What civic lesson would that teach the kids? That they are the property of the government bureaucrats?
Yes, because it's sooo much better to leave then in a toxic environment that will forever doom them to a life of abject poverty and suffering.
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 11, 2016 at 11:20 pm
I am an in-home math tutor and I once turored a (sort of) home schooled girl because the mom didn't know algebra. Seemed the main reason for home schooling was they lived on a ranch pretty far from town. Also they were Christian but didn't bring it up with me at all aside from the girl mentioning that she was enrolled in a home school version of a Christian private school. Apparently the arrangement was that the milf er I mean the mom would grade the tests and mail them to the "school" and that would actually count.
So obviously the horror stories of home schooling you all are talking about wouldn't even involve the neglectful parents paying for a tutor. But the point is that private schools also should be under scrutiny. I've tutored kids who went from private schools to public schools and found they were behind on math. Because of course essential math skills take a back seat to religious "studies."
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 11, 2016 at 11:26 pm
(February 11, 2016 at 8:46 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: This story is the finest example of why I am anti-theist, and I will never apologize for that! No mincing words, no hiding the facts, the teaching of theism is fundamentally evil and religious homeschooling is the very worst form of child abuse. Um - I see the point. Usually, I would not claim to be anti-theist . . . they can believe anything they want. But the children . . . oh, the children! When the next generation receives an education that is absolutely substandard - yea, Hanky, I'm re-thinking my stance.
(February 11, 2016 at 9:06 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: (February 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Are you a proponent of big government? What civic lesson would that teach the kids? That they are the property of the government bureaucrats?
Just because you can fuck doesn't give you the right to do anything you wish with the resulting children. Children are not your personal weapons to be used against the rest of and the better whole of society! They belong to their country, and their rights to the best which their country can offer them for an education should never be denied them!
Libertarian assholes, take note! Children belong to . . . ???? I was taught, their parents. My first response now would be "the future". I wasn't on board with Brian's idea that the kids should be removed - but again . . . they aren't being educated. The very BEST education should be a right of all children. Maybe he's right.
(February 11, 2016 at 9:37 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (February 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Are you a proponent of big government? What civic lesson would that teach the kids? That they are the property of the government bureaucrats?
Yes, because it's sooo much better to leave then in a toxic environment that will forever doom them to a life of abject poverty and suffering. I don't know why I bristle at the "property of government bureaucrats" . . . I think it is because I have taught adopted children who have suffered way too much. I don't know the answer.
But guys, guys!!! I didn't intend to start a heated discussion here. And my best guess is that we are all on the same side: we are all wanting the next generation of children to have access to knowledge - - - global knowledge - - - anything and everything. And yes, the fundie home schoolers scare the crap out of me. More so tonight, because I met one in person. But we are here.
After processing, you know - - I feel better. Because those kids were apparently not getting computer/internet experience at all. I showed her Christian educational sites and ways to keep her kids "safe" . . . and I really think that now, they might learn some internet skills. Sure, they will be full of xtian indoctrination, but . . . good grief, it's better than nothing.
Still, those home schooling standards are not standards at all. Any ideas for taking a stand . . . increasing awareness, folks?
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 12:26 am
Eesh. Those are my sister's kids in 5 years.
It scares me, but I think she's not this bad. At least I hope so.
My eldest nephew is fucking smart as hell, too. He should be an engineer, he is great at building and figuring things out. I just know he's not going to get a good math/science education if my sister is doing the teaching...
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 12:44 am
(February 11, 2016 at 4:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: So, I work in a rather unusual library. It's State-funded educational materials. We rarely see patrons - we usually ship things out. But there was a meeting on campus, so I had more guests than usual.
A woman comes in with her three kids. The kids are home-schooled. She starts in by saying that her 9-year-old needs books to read. GOOD books. She's looking for wholesome, Christian stories. She proceeded to tell me that most of the new young adult books are filthy - just filthy. When she stopped to breathe, I told her that we don't categorize fiction (other than western, fantasy, science fiction - and I got the death stare at "science fiction"  ) but that we have a huge collection of literary classics. That apparently made her happy. She checked out quite a few books.
Then she asked how she can get books shipped to her. I showed her how to search the online catalog. She didn't like it, she wants to keep her kids away from computers and the internet. I got gutsy and told her that literacy now means computer literacy - and that her kids probably won't be able to get jobs or college degrees without it. She bristled at this, but I quickly pulled up a list of Christian computing/parenting websites. She liked the list of Christian kid sites and "how to set restrictions" section. <sigh>
She was visiting from Topeka, KS. I think a tattooed lesbian atheist just helped a Westboro Baptist Church fundie find books for her kids. 
Yeah that sounds pretty damn extreme. I get the point of homeschooling to teach your kids what you want them to learn, while at the same time preventing them from subjects you don't want them to learn about. At least at that stage of development I guess it's ok, if you believe the children belong to the parents. Once you move into the realm of the children belong to the community or the state, then I can see the need to get them out of the indoctrinating parents and into the hands of the indoctrinating state.
How old were the kids? There are a lot of kids that get exposed to porn, which can warp their minds and effect their future relationships.
I guess I'm more of a libertarian where it's up the parents, not the social norms promoted by the state, and television. When they grow older, they will find out. Something about keeping the innocence of a child is lost in the public schools. The parents no longer have any choice. The children become drones like the others, but at least they are equal. Kind of think it comes down to who owns the children.
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 1:26 am
(February 11, 2016 at 6:15 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Home schooling assessments by state. This is really scary. Scroll through the categories under "HOMESCHOOL LAW". I guess the world needs ditch diggers also.
http://www.responsiblehomeschooling.org/...ervention/
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 1:41 am
Woah-ho-ho!
In TN, you have to have a GED to teach your high school age children. High-falutin' gubment makin' me learn my churren some kinda way!
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 1:51 am
As far as home schooling my wife and i are held to very high standards and requirements from K-12 (we are from Kansas). From what i have seen the ciriculem seems to totally blow away the public average on acedemics (obviously my wife teaches spelling).
The raising of children and what should be taught to them is most hotly debated in my home state.
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 2:35 am
Well, with the governor slashing taxes so much that they have to close schools early and running the state into bankruptcy, I wouldn't want to send my kids to a public school in Kansas, either.
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RE: encounter with a fundie homeschooler today - just sharing
February 12, 2016 at 3:50 am
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(February 11, 2016 at 9:37 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (February 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Are you a proponent of big government? What civic lesson would that teach the kids? That they are the property of the government bureaucrats?
Yes, because it's sooo much better to leave then in a toxic environment that will forever doom them to a life of abject poverty and suffering. Have you seen the Detroit schools? The worst home school is probably better than the best Detroit school.
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