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People are scared and I don't blame them.
#51
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
(July 3, 2016 at 10:01 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(July 3, 2016 at 12:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The post was about why I understand Islamphobia exists and is becoming widespread.

I hate to be that guy...but... at this point Islamaphobia to some extinct is to be expected let me be honest here
for a religion to call itself the religion of peace then on one hand has extremists doing terrible things on one hand
and then followers honor killing on another should automatically loose religion of peace standing. I don't see 
peace at all i get that extremists are not true islamists but damn Islam in this day in age is the most violent 
repressive religion out there. They are doing what the christians did long ago the religion itself needs to go through 
changes like christianity did or islam itself at its current rate fill fade out due to the ever growing Islamaphobia.

I agree with you except for the point where you claim that in old days Christians used to be the most violent of all.  Considering the civilian and so called collateral damage in christian miltary oprations on Iraqs, Afghans, etc... I think Christians are still doing a much better job of killing non-Christian civilians even today
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#52
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
(July 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(July 3, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: It's tough sometimes trying to explain to people and show the world what our beautiful religion of Islam is supposed to be about and how we should be living it like our holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh taught us to. We as Muslims today, especially here in America face so much hatred and stereotype due to what terrorists who have hatred and a falsely conceived concept of how we should live our religion, especially when they do evil and hatred things in the name of Allah and Islam. Islam as the world's fastest growing religion has more hatred towards it because of misconceived views of the world due to the false teachings of hatred that come from a small percentage of worldwide Muslims. In no way am I saying Muslims are perfect. We are human beings and just like all other religions there are good people and bad people in Islam as well. When people misunderstand what a religion is based on and how it is supposed to be lived correctly, as soon as one single bad thing happens by someone who is Muslim, people wanna say that's what the religion teaches us to do. When they don't study the truth of the religion people are drawn to the hatred of bad Muslims and their cultures by a single brush-stroked painting of Islamaphobes and the media and assume that is what Islam is about. So yes there are bad people that are Muslims, I don't disagree with that. But there are more good people who follow the true teachings of Islam and the lifestyle of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. This is why God tells us as Muslims He will judge us on Judgment Day as well. We're human beings. But the thing is u can't base a religion on what a small percentage of its so called followers do when the much larger percentage of that same religion live a much better lifestyle as commanded by God in our Holy Qur'an. Just like nobody can or would have the right to say Christianity is a racist or hateful religion because of what the KKK, and so called Pastor Tony Smith, and Islamaphobist Brigitte Gabrielle who call themselves faithful Christians do. Nor could anyone say Judaism is a hatred judgmental religion because of the hatred that Pamela Geller puts toward Islam with the excuse of constitutional free speech. So my point being, not even considering all the other human beings who are not of the 3 Abrahamic faiths (i.e. Hindus, Atheists, and all other religions), but when a Christian or Jew murders or robs someone, or rapes a woman or child or beats their wife, or any other hatred evil act towards their fellow human being, which is sad to say happens quite often in every city of the world, the media and most people of the world just look at them and say "There's a lot of BAD PEOPLE out there or they made a big mistake." But when a Muslim does the same thing they wanna say "Why does ISLAM teach Muslims to do these things?" They totally turn a human act of evil from a SINGLE PERSON or small GROUP onto an entire worldwide religion. Just as when the Cardinals of the Catholic church were performing that horrible child molestation. But Catholicism as a world religion still stands tall. Those men were just bad people who happened to be part of that religion. I give all praise to God for blessing me to be Muslim. I love my Lord and love my religion. And by no means am I saying everyone has a hatred view towards Islam. I have seen and heard people saying that Muslims all over the world are some of the best, friendliest, and most kind people they have ever known. It just seems that it is so easy to assume that Islam is about evil and hatred when the media and those who do have hatred towards us show that a single Muslim has done wrong or has hatred in their soul as a person. So what people around the world need to do is study the true teachings of Islam which are in the Qur'an, and the true lifestyle of our Prophet Muhammad pbuh to see what Islam is really about. And what we as Muslims need to do is live our lives the right way and follow the teachings of the Qur'an and our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. And as the world's fastest growing religion people around the world can see true, peaceful Islam on the rise, growing bigger around the world everyday, flushing out the false hatred of our religion, and see that Islam is truly a religion of love and peace.

Every human teaches love and peace in theory, but interpretation of that differs. Islam is the best way to implement love and peace individually, family wise, and society wise in my belief and I trying to find that true Islam. Eventually as well the whole world will benefit from the perfect Islam and be united on the rope of God from humans and his words.  

However Islam does NOT make sense without belief in the unseen. It revolves and is oriented around that. 

These people can't understand  it because they lack faith in the unseen. They themselves are unseen, so essentially they are denying themselves and neglecting their true reality.

The link with the divine is the greatest gift we have, not valuing that link as it ought to be valued, is not forgivable in Islam.

The level of sincerity required to God is higher in Islam then all other religions. What I mean is the bear minimum is higher standard. And the duties towards others and society is also higher. 

The heart of it though is the love of the near kin of the Messenger. To truly recognize who they are and appreciate the message through them.

And to that, I find the umma is rebellious, in that they prefer to follow their systematic approach and structure they see part of their religion, to submission to God and love of his chosen ones.

That is the good news he gives to his servants such as those who believe and do good deeds, say: no recompense do I ask for it except the love in the near kin (of the Messenger) and whoever does good we increase them therein, verily God is Forgiving, Appreciative.

Love would of been that path the nation took to appreciate God and his Messenger and the favor bestowed upon them through his revelation, it would of reminded of the unseen stations meant for us to tread, it would of lead the people towards recognizing the guidance meant for them.

We broken the trusts of the Messenger "I am leaving you two weighty trusts, Quran and my family....."
U r absolutely right my brother. Allah specifically says in the Qur'an Suratul Baqarah verse 3 "Alladhina yu'minuna bil ghaibi" Those who BELIEVE IN THE UNSEEN.....I have had several debates with people who call themselves of a certain religious belief...but don't even follow their own holy scripture. For instance a man who calls himself a Christian who says Jesus pbuh is the son of God but then says he himself doesn't follow the Bible, he has his own way of believing and following. That is how false prophecies start. So he believes there is a God but he says He has a physical son. So I tell him God does not beget offspring. So he asks why CAN'T Almighty God have offspring. I say God and CAN'T shouldn't be used in the same sentence. God CAN DO whatever He wills. The thing people misunderstand is GOD WON'T do certain things. To beget offspring is a sexual act of reproduction that we as animals (imperfect creatures) do. If God begat offspring He would lower His standard as the Most High, unequal being and become equal with us as humans. It would be no different than Him dying, or getting sick, having to eat, sleep, forget, make mistakes, excrete waste and all other things that we as His creatures do. This is why He WON'T do any of these things because He has His place of Most High majesty as the only God. What mankind tries to do with things we don't understand is try to lower things to our finite level of thinking. So man in general feel if he can't see it or feel it physically it must not exist. But Alhamdulillah Allah has guided us to His light and given us vision through our Prophet Muhammad's pbuh teachings and may He keep us guided with His light. May Allah forgive us ALL OF OUR SINS my brother and forbid us ALL PUNISHMENT of the grave, the Day of Judgment and Hell-fire, and may He reward us with Jannatul-Firdaus in the Afterlife. If I never meet u n person in this life, Insha'allah we can have a delicious meal and discuss this topic further in Jannah. As-Salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu my brother. Big Grin
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#53
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
Please learn to paragraph. My eyes will thank you.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#54
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
Posts really need to be fifteen words or less, if you want people to pay attention.
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#55
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
(July 4, 2016 at 12:47 am)robvalue Wrote: Posts really need to be firteen words or less, if you want people to pay attention.

Is that a new number? I've never heard of it before. Big Grin
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#56
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
What the fuck lol!

Yeah I best fix that Tongue
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#57
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
Quote:1. Muslims are a threat to every culture out there and secular law, because, they seek to replace the order of humans with that of the Divine order while other religions and people have their own culture and also take on cultures of others and make their own rules, as well as implement secular law. 


No they are not.

Quoting the Quran:

( Sura 5 Verse 105 )   O you who have believed, upon you is [responsibility for] yourselves. Those who have gone astray will not harm you when you have been guided. To Allah is you return all together; then He will inform you of what you used to do.

(Sura 13 Verse 31 )   And if there was any qur'an by which the mountains would be removed or the earth would be broken apart or the dead would be made to speak, [it would be this Qur'an], but to Allah belongs the affair entirely. Then have those who believed not accepted that had Allah willed, He would have guided the people, all of them? And those who disbelieve do not cease to be struck, for what they have done, by calamity - or it will descend near their home - until there comes the promise of Allah. Indeed, Allah does not fail in [His] promise.

( Sura 10 Verse 99 )   And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?

Claiming that there's "a political agenda" behind Islam to lead a coup d'etat , is the main reason people are terrified from you; moreover they will eventually laugh at you when you prove to be "a defeated loser" who can't even medicate himself without the help of the "Kuffar"; or educate himself without the aid of the "Non-Believers".

Such a shame to hold such an idea, but go beg at the borders of Europe for access right inside the lands of those; them; the Kuffar whom you believe their systems must be replaced through a coup.


Quote: Without an Imam present among us,  the laws of Islam are distorted to a degree yet it's not like we can ignore the laws of God as a society


No. The laws of Islam are forever kept in the Quran as these verses state:

( Sura 15 Verse 9 )   Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.

Unless you believe that God is not a worthy guardian for the Quran.
Hence; the Quran itself is described in this verse as:

( Sura 30 Verse 58 )   And We have certainly presented to the people in this Qur'an from every [kind of] example. But, [O Muhammad], if you should bring them a sign, the disbelievers will surely say, "You [believers] are but falsifiers."

We don't need an Imam to be guided though; as this verse states:

(Sura 17 Verse 9 )   Indeed, this Qur'an guides to that which is most suitable and gives good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a great reward.

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In conclusion; you are:

1-Using the misery of Muslims who go through Islamophobia to preach the Shiite faith.
2-When people fear you or hate you, it is a good practice to do self criticism to see if that hatered is justified.
It is even mentioned in the Quran:

(Sura 18 Verse 57 )   And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord but turns away from them and forgets what his hands have put forth? Indeed, We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if you invite them to guidance - they will never be guided, then - ever.

3-Another honest opinion suggests, that westerners "are not actually scared"; they have lots of domestic terrorism from the first place; read about the IRA, serial killers, gang violence; rape statistics...etc. But actually, they too, are getting stereotyped against after the U.S crimes in Iraq; so, many Muslims see the faces of American soldiers in every westerner (even if they weren't American or soldiers). The west plays so many dirty games in the Middle East, and plays soccer with Muslims being the ball.

Actually, you are contributing to this war -right now- by preaching for the Shiite faith; militias that use the Shiitte faith as a pain killer, are fighting in this moment in Syria and Iraq in the name of your "Imam Mehdi; the last of the holy Imams".

So....
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#58
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
Religious people just don't get it - preaching only works on the weak minded.

We only care about whether it is TRUE.

If you can't *demonstrate* that's it's true with reason and logic and evidence, then don't waste your breath preaching because to us, it is literally the equivalent of preaching the doctrine of the pretty pink Unicorns and their rainbow magic.
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#59
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
With these "obey or burn" religions, the truth only shows it's a real mugging, instead of a pretend one.

Still not interested. Some theists can't seem to understand this. I don't need anyone to tell me how to live my life, nor am I looking for things to worship.
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#60
RE: People are scared and I don't blame them.
(July 4, 2016 at 12:55 am)Nymphadora Wrote:
(July 4, 2016 at 12:47 am)robvalue Wrote: Posts really need to be firteen words or less, if you want people to pay attention.

Is that a new number? I've never heard of it before. Big Grin

Firteen? It comes between twelve and fourteen. But only on EastEnders.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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