Islam protectors

[Alex K]

I'm a liberal feminist and I do not support Islam. I support people. Some of them happen to be Muslims. I would be happy if they gave up their beliefs, but I'm not going to discriminate against them just because they haven't. This applies to anyone of any religious belief.

Yes, several of my students have observed Ramadan for example, and I along with the administration tried to accommodate that (special health warnings on hot days etc...) and cut them some slack in class. Even though I think it's an absolutely crazy idea to not drink water during the day in June.

[Brian37]

I'm a liberal feminist and I do not support Islam. I support people. Some of them happen to be Muslims. I would be happy if they gave up their beliefs, but I'm not going to discriminate against them just because they haven't. This applies to anyone of any religious belief.

Yes, several of my students have observed Ramadan for example, and I along with the administration tried to accommodate that (special health warnings on hot days etc...) and cut them some slack in class. Even though I think it's an absolutely crazy idea to not drink water during the day in June.

I value the likes of Malala, but I also would not be afraid of saying to her that all religious justified clothing is rooted in the sexism of antiquity. I would not make it illegal in the west for example, to ban women from wearing a Hijab. But would point out that even if you are not forced to do so, there are families and sects in other parts of the world, that if you refuse you will get punished in some way, either by the males in that family or by the government itself.

And I have for example criticized parts of the world where even if you don't celebrate Ramadan, local laws that prevent even non Muslims from eating during the day, and that part is absurd. But to me, that is no different than America's history of bullshit blue laws on Sunday which really amount to nothing but Christians attempts at social engineering through law to try and get you to attend Church on Sunday.

Like here in NC, it is illegal to sell alcohol on Sunday before 12noon, right now. Stupid because you can buy beer on Saturday at 10am or 9am and take it home and STILL drink it on Sunday before noon. We also used to have bullshit laws long ago that prevented you from buying kitchen appliances on Sunday, "picking sticks on the Sabbath" bullshit.

But no, I will not advocate for bans on individuals whom are non violent regardless. Common law is what we all have and if you are not violent to me, that matters far more than any individual disagreements I might have with that individual.

[paulpablo]

Why do SJWs, feminists and liberals support Islam? Islam is the opposite for what those groups stand for. And I don't buy their justification that it's "another culture".

This questions been answered a few times now.

There's different levels of support for Islam, I think some of it in my opinion is justified some of it isn't justified, some of it isn't necessarily support.  Sometimes its just a case of more "liberal" atheists getting flustered when you mention an Islamic terrorist attack where they definitely wouldn't care much if you talk about a white male Christian doing the attack.

SJWs won't attack Islam as much because it's not got an a lot of white males in the religion, the sworn enemy of the SJW.  They're just the opposite of the alt right.

You asking why would SJWs support Islam is the same as asking why Muslims support Islam, they just have a different belief system than you do, it may or may not be logical.

I think the people who i consider to be SJWs and the alt right people both have good intentions just expressed wrongly.  

They both see want to address an inbalance, an alt right person might have seen a lot of shit expressed about the evil CIS gendered white male, whereas the SJW might live in a place full of redneck christians who hate gays and muslims and wouldn't say much of anything bad about their fellow CIS gendered white males. 
Those two extremes are just reactions.

[Mister Agenda]

Why do SJWs, feminists and liberals support Islam? Islam is the opposite for what those groups stand for. And I don't buy their justification that it's "another culture".

Unsupported assertion. I would think it's Muslims, who are often a vulnerable minority in Western countries, that they support, not Islam.

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Support the person and their right to choose, not the religion.

Still, freedom is something relative. If someone has to much freedom, someone else will have to little. Muslims want freedom to opress, by giving them freedom you are taking someone elses.

That's quite the hasty generalization.

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Do they? What exactly do you mean when you say they "support" Islam? Can you be more specific and maybe give an example?

They support in the sense that they want muslims to have the right to practice their beliefs. They say thinks like "We shouldn't criticize them" and "They're from a different culture". This happens in the U.S.A in case you didn't know. I'm not from the U.S.A, but I know it from the Media.

Your first sentence seems accurate. I've managed to go several decades without hearing someone seriously say that we shouldn't criticize them, so I doubt it's a prevalent opinion. The media doesn't consult with the population, but since it's the media, it should be easy for you find a quote indicating that something like female circumcision is okay because 'they're from a different culture'.

The media you're getting this from wouldn't happen to be Fox News, would it?

[Court Jester]

If Islam is suppressed then the fear may be that in time, Christianity would be suppressed by the same people. “Religious freedom is religious freedom. If religious freedom is taken from them, then if can be taken from me.”

Pisser of the argument is though; the Muslims are more apt to take their religious freedom away more than most others.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Support the person and their right to choose, not the religion.

Still, freedom is something relative. If someone has to much freedom, someone else will have to little. Muslims want freedom to opress, by giving them freedom you are taking someone elses.

That hasn't happened here in America, with the exception of the SB killers. And I don't see them pushing legislatures to adopt Sharia'a.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I've never had any problems with Muslims. I've never even thought of them as "Muslims" just..you know ,regular everyday people.

I don't have a problem how they live their lives as long as they don't force it upon others and frankly, neither should you.

[Brian37]

If Islam is suppressed then the fear may be that in time, Christianity would be suppressed by the same people. “Religious freedom is religious freedom. If religious freedom is taken from them, then if can be taken from me.”

Pisser of the argument is though; the Muslims are more apt to take their religious freedom away more than most others.

UGGGGGGGGGGG

I really hate how people on all sides miss the bigger picture in that power shifts over long periods of time and any religion has the potential to be come an active volcano. 

Nobody should advocate giving Islam, OR ANY religion for that matter, a taboo status to where it never gets picked on. 

It still remains, whatever CURRENT arguments one can make about the CURRENT state of the middle east Islam still did not invent human cruelty. Our behaviors as a species have always been in us, and we had the capability of cruelty prior to Islam being invented. And the Koran itself is merely Abraham 3.0. It still stems from the same tribal God of Christianity and Hebrews. And the Hebrews themselves got their Yahweh character from the very tribal polytheist Canaanites.

And again, I also pointed out Asia's history too which was also not free from tribal brutality. The Taracotta(sp) Warriors were very superstitious, and very 1984 Big Brother mindset in their ranks and any dissent within their ranks was met with torture or death.

YES everyone SHOULD criticize Islam it should not get a pass. But in doing that our species should never lose our own sense of compassion for the individual, least we repeat the horrors we say we want to avoid.

[vorlon13]

I'm a liberal feminist and I do not support Islam. I support people. Some of them happen to be Muslims. I would be happy if they gave up their beliefs, but I'm not going to discriminate against them just because they haven't. This applies to anyone of any religious belief.

Yes, several of my students have observed Ramadan for example, and I along with the administration tried to accommodate that (special health warnings on hot days etc...) and cut them some slack in class. Even though I think it's an absolutely crazy idea to not drink water during the day in June.

even outside of Ramadan, the Muslims, well at least the Egyptian ones, were loathe to hydrate.  Israeli forces exploited this during the 6 Day War and essentially ordered their troops to drink upwards of a gallon of water/day during the conflict.  One of many ways the Egyptian army  effed itself.

[Alex K]

Yes, several of my students have observed Ramadan for example, and I along with the administration tried to accommodate that (special health warnings on hot days etc...) and cut them some slack in class. Even though I think it's an absolutely crazy idea to not drink water during the day in June.

even outside of Ramadan, the Muslims, well at least the Egyptian ones, were loathe to hydrate.  Israeli forces exploited this during the 6 Day War and essentially ordered their troops to drink upwards of a gallon of water/day during the conflict.  One of many ways the Egyptian army  effed itself.

Why wouldn't they hydrate? Are they so used to saving water?