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Islam protectors
#21
RE: Islam protectors
(July 5, 2017 at 7:19 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: Why do SJWs, feminists and liberals support Islam? Islam is the opposite for what those groups stand for. And I don't buy their justification that it's "another culture".

Depends what angle you're looking from.

I'm pretty liberal and a feminist and I loathe Islam.

But I support the rights of the women to wear headscarves if they want to.

Where I draw the line is the black body sacks some insist on wearing and burqas. 

But, for some reason, in the West we try to create laws banning these garments.  Instead we should be banning ALL clothing that hides the face in public areas.
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#22
RE: Islam protectors
(July 5, 2017 at 3:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(July 5, 2017 at 7:19 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: Why do SJWs, feminists and liberals support Islam? Islam is the opposite for what those groups stand for. And I don't buy their justification that it's "another culture".

Depends what angle you're looking from.

I'm pretty liberal and a feminist and I loathe Islam.

But I support the rights of the women to wear headscarves if they want to.

Where I draw the line is the black body sacks some insist on wearing and burqas. 

But, for some reason, in the West we try to create laws banning these garments.  Instead we should be banning ALL clothing that hides the face in public areas.

Still, again I am not against religious clothing in a legal sense, but WILL still point out to any and ALL religions the sexism of gender role clothing. Islam even with the Hijab is STILL gender role clothing based on a sexist past. But even the religions of Asia, and even here in the states with Christianity, depending on sect and or individual family, value the sexist gender role clothing of antiquity. Nuns in Catholic history even today, in many parts of Europe still wear things like habits, but yet you'd never see a female Pope.

If female Muslims like modesty dress they don't need a religious reason to do it anymore than a non Muslim woman needs a religion to wear a head scarf. Even the Amish and sects of LDS have very sexist gender role clothing based on religion.

But yea, strictly for pragmatic reasons, especially when it is not cold outside, and you are in a security situation like at an airport, you really have no good reason to cover your face, men neither.
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#23
RE: Islam protectors
(July 5, 2017 at 3:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:  

But, for some reason, in the West we try to create laws banning these garments.  Instead we should be banning ALL clothing that hides the face in public areas.

Commit a crime and then hide as a Muslim woman. You'll never be caught!
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#24
RE: Islam protectors
How am I supposed to ferry vacuum packed pot along the danny boone in my skiff if they make sheer balaclavas illegal Valk?  Do you know how bad ginger skin burns in the sun?

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#25
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From what I have seen it's never Islam's fault, even if it is, It actually isn't.
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#26
RE: Islam protectors
(July 5, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(July 5, 2017 at 3:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:  

But, for some reason, in the West we try to create laws banning these garments.  Instead we should be banning ALL clothing that hides the face in public areas.

Commit a crime and then hide as a Muslim woman.  You'll never be caught!

Isn't that how, supposedly, the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar escaped the allied invasion of Afghanistan in 2001?  I read somewhere he dressed in a burqa and escaped (could just be propaganda, of course.

Personally I've suggested a range of Taliban Barbie dolls: they all wear burqas and one-in-ten is actually a man hiding from authorities or wearing a suicide vest...
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#27
RE: Islam protectors
No need for men to dress up as women.  Females can be suicide bombers too.  #feminism.   Wink
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#28
RE: Islam protectors
The only Islam protector you need where I live is a pig sandwich and a beer. Just sayin'

Have several Muslim friends. The best way to interact is to discus not ban. Let's see how Trump's travel ban works on the pretty peaceful Muslim citizens of the US. I would be pissed if my relatives were banned from visiting and couldn't see their grand kids.

As a religion, it's bullshit, but I honestly think education and engagement is the best answer. It won't be easy and the violent ones are scum. I f somebody has a better idea I am certainly open to it.
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#29
RE: Islam protectors
Meh.  Most muslims, like most christers, are no more than useful idiots.  They don't have the conviction it takes to blow themselves up in yahwehs name, they don't have the constitution to be credible militants...and they pose absolutely no danger to anyone but themselves.

OFC we protect idiots...they kind of need it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#30
RE: Islam protectors
(July 5, 2017 at 4:30 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: From what I have seen it's never Islam's fault, even if it is, It actually isn't.

ARRGGGGGGGGG

Yes and no, but that "Yes and no" apply to all humans worldwide.

The followers of Islam CAN be blamed for any violence they case when using the holy books they use such as the Koran and Hadiths, but the same can be, AND SHOULD BE said of anyone of any religion.

But no, we should not vilify individuals on a planet of 7 billion. 

Just like a KKK member should be blamed if they murder a black person and use the bible to do it. Just like a Hindu should be blamed if they murder a non Hindu for killing a cow.

But that does not justify assuming the guilt of an individual before they have done anything wrong. You can attack claims and bad behaviors of individuals or sects, without blanket assumptions of guilt of others.
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