Islam protectors

[FatAndFaithless]

Islam protector sounds like something you can wear

A protective garment made of pork fat, pictures of Mohammed, and patches of the rainbow flag.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

Why do SJWs, feminists and liberals support Islam? Islam is the opposite for what those groups stand for. And I don't buy their justification that it's "another culture".

Excuse me but where do you get off lumping people together like that? 

I am a liberal, but hardly politically correct. You must be selective about the threads you read here because liberals do go after other liberals on the issue of religion.

Valuing human rights does not mean everyone who does values blanket solutions of censorship. That is bullshit.

Going after ISIS and pointing out the religious justifications they use to advocate violence does not mean you have the right to treat someone like Malala as the same. It is true that Bin Laden and Malala share the same umbrella religion and the same holy book. But so the fuck what. Islam did not invent religious cruelty even if one is rightfully pointing out a current problem. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution. 

There has NEVER been a period in our species history where a label had no sub sects competing for power. Every region of the world has had it's conflicts.

I can show you stories of Buddhists murdering Muslims. I can show you stories of Hindus murdering people for killing cows. And don't fucking act like Christians are saints with their history of genocide of blacks and native Americans and denying women the right to vote and even today, right wing attempts to control women's reproduction and attacks on LGBT rights.

YES, the Koran DOES contain verses followers use to justify violence with, but that does not give you the right to shit on individuals who have yet to commit a crime. 

Your bullshit attitude of selling fear is as bad as what you rightfully accuse many in the east of doing. 

This liberal, ME, do not like it when my well intended fellow liberals suggest blanket solutions against offending. But blanket assumptions of guilt of people you don't know as individuals is bullshit too. You need to learn to separate the claim from the separate issue of human rights. Go after the claim, but don't sell fear of others or assume guilt.

You are not going to force the end of any religion so lose that bullshit attitude. And don't assume that because someone is sticking up for an individual means they value or protect all the claims that individual might make. 

There was a Pakistani migrant Muslim taxi driver at the UK concert attack. That man drove 24 girls home FOR FREE. NO, I WILL NOT treat him like a member of ISIS and fuck you if you think I should. I will not treat Malala as being the same as Bin Laden. I will not treat our Muslim Congressman Kieth Ellison as being the same as the Taliban.

^^^^^ None of that is advocating Islam gets a pass never to be criticized or blasphemed, all it is saying is I don't assume guilt of the individual. I know how to separate the individual from what the individual claims.

So you can take your Frank Burns Ayn Rand bullshit slurs and shove them. Now here is your example of a liberal not being politically correct.

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Still, freedom is something relative. If someone has to much freedom, someone else will have to little. Muslims want freedom to opress, by giving them freedom you are taking someone elses.

No idiot, the Koran being used to justify violence and oppression is true, but that is still a separate issue than you assuming billions of people agree with those interpretations. Remember your bullshit the next time a Christian equates you being an atheist to monsters like Stalin, Po Pot and Hitler. 

There is absolutely 0% chance of Islam taking over the world and especially not in the west. I fear more our far right Christians who are currently holding our nation hostage and the constant attempts of mixing government than I fear America becoming an Islamic theocracy.

First of all, I didn't say that all muslims are evil! I agree that inoffensive muslims exist, but I think that they don't really follow the Quran and that their interpretation of it's wrong. That doesn't mean that I hate them because of that. 
Second of all I didn't say that Christianity or other religions are better. I know that pretty much any religion has made bad things. The thing is, in todays society, the muslim countries opress more than countries with other major religions and muslim people do murders often. But I think that a Christian nation is better, because it doesn't really follow the religion. The Bible sais so many things that christians don't follow. I see other religions as lesser threats, not necessarily because their scriptures or history are better, but because people don't follow them as desperately.
That's the reason why I think that political correctnes shouldn't support Islam, or any religion for that matter. I'm not saying that people should be forced to deconvert from their religions, but I should have the wright to critisize their belief if I want to, and they should have the wright to disagree with me. And not supporting something does not mean that you're against it. You can be neutral about that.
And since I'm an idiot with a bullshit atitute after your own words, please tell me what political correctness is. 'Cause I don't get how a political correct would call me something like that after I've expressed my thoughst freely. Maybe I want to be an idiot! If some muslim women should be free to wear burqas if they want to, why shouldn't I be free to be an idiot?
You are opressing me!

[The Grand Nudger]

We're not a christian nation.

[Amarok]

Uh huh

Cloaked language

[Astonished]

If they want to make the framework of their worldview based on something entirely irrational, they have no business complaining when we call them nutjobs. Pretty simple.

[bennyboy]

Support the person and their right to choose, not the religion.

I dunno, dude.  I'm kind of getting tired of letting dumb fucks getting to make choices that affect others.  They don't just choose to go to church-- they choose to campaign against evolution being taught in schools, they choose to vote for fucktards like Trump, they choose to willfully ignore facts in favor of party sound bites.

[brewer]

Support the person and their right to choose, not the religion.

I dunno, dude.  I'm kind of getting tired of letting dumb fucks getting to make choices that affect others.  They don't just choose to go to church-- they choose to campaign against evolution being taught in schools, they choose to vote for fucktards like Trump, they choose to willfully ignore facts in favor of party sound bites.

Don't people of our ilk choose to campaign for evolution, to promote tolerance, battle against fucktards, champion independent thought and not cave to herd mentality?

Maybe the failure is ours that they are making these choices. Or it could be that our struggle is still in it's relative infancy against the giant and our success in the face of the magnitude of the task can often go unobserved and feel inconsequential. 

I'll not deny them their right to choose, but I'll continue the campaign against poor choices, tired or not.

[Mister Agenda]

Support the person and their right to choose, not the religion.

I dunno, dude.  I'm kind of getting tired of letting dumb fucks getting to make choices that affect others.  They don't just choose to go to church-- they choose to campaign against evolution being taught in schools, they choose to vote for fucktards like Trump, they choose to willfully ignore facts in favor of party sound bites.

The alternative seems to be thought police. I'm not sure that would end well, myself.

[The Grand Nudger]

Campaigning to shittify education is not thought, it's action  We can police the shittifyng of standards without policing thought.  In fact, we do, the establishment clause. People can believe in magic all they want - and they can teach it in their useless jesus schools all they want - they cannot impose their religious beliefs upon public schools or national education standards.