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The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(August 6, 2023 at 5:33 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
(June 18, 2023 at 3:08 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Or, as New Testament scholar N.T. Wright put it: "That is why, as a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus Christ rose from the dead, leaving an Empty Tomb behind in Him".

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As a historian he should have been asking why Matt and Mark said Pete first saw the risen Josh in the Galilee while Luke and John said Pete first saw the risen Josh in Jerusalem.

... and why the original Mark had no resurrection. 
There is no tradition of the "exalted" Jewish heroes in "apocalypticism" being brought back to life. 
The sect(s) of Judaism which believed in resurrection of the dead, thought it would happen "at the end of times", not before.
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#32
RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
just because someone speaks as if he is a historian doesn’t mean he is exhibiting indications of qualifications to assess historic claims.
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#33
RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(June 18, 2023 at 3:08 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Or, as New Testament scholar N.T. Wright put it: "That is why, as a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus Christ rose from the dead, leaving an Empty Tomb behind in Him".

(August 6, 2023 at 5:33 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: As a historian he should have been asking why Matt and Mark said Pete first saw the risen Josh in the Galilee while Luke and John said Pete first saw the risen Josh in Jerusalem.

Eastern Mediterranean comeback tour? Big Grin
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RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Quote:New Testament scholar N.T. Wright put it: "That is why, as a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus Christ rose from the dead, leaving an Empty Tomb behind in Him".
Then he is a very bad historian if his conclusion is a guy rose from the dead.  Hehe

Also, an A New Testament scholar is essentially an apologist with a fancy title there to use pseudohistory to promote his idealogy Hehe
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RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(August 7, 2023 at 3:26 pm)Helios Wrote: Also, an A New Testament scholar is essentially an apologist with a fancy title there to use pseudohistory to promote his idealogy Hehe

Usually they get the faith beat out of 'em at Uni.   Happened to Bart Ehrman.  The contradictions do 'em in. James Tabor and John Dominic Crossan are a little more coy.
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#36
RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I was gonna make a parody thread of this but that's too much to read. I rather be reading Rurouni Kenshin instead. Seriously why can't these wingnuts summarize?
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#37
RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Long winds set the sails of mental dinghies.
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#38
RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
They can not even prove that Jesus was buried (since crucified people were left to rot on the cross), let alone resurrected.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(August 7, 2023 at 10:11 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: They can not even prove that Jesus was buried (since crucified people were left to rot on the cross), let alone resurrected.

Apparently Yeshua had a pal among the ruling elite named Yosef from the town of the town of Ramathaim-Zophim (Joseph of Arimathea) who was able to convince Pilate to let him take down the body before Passover.  Buried him in a nearby tomb on an emergency basis, then moved him soon after sundown on Saturday when Shabbat ended.  Yeshua's wife (Miriam of Magdala, aka the Tower of Fish) saw where he was buried the first time but not where he ended up the second time.
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