I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...

[brewer]

Sin the fuck all you want. The people that make the determination on 'what's a sin' will say that you are going to hell anyway. I have no clue why they believe the fairy tale.

However, moral is a different issue typically determined by communities.

(shit, fuck is a god damned sin,.............. and jesus wept)

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The issue is adhering to their concept of sin, which is essentially made-up nonsense.

You ever hear that quote where the only real sin is harming others unnecessarily?

And the second bit: 'Harming yourself isn't sinful, just stupid.'

Boru

[zwanzig]

I think the real question is why should you or anyone be responsible for anything here on earth when you had no freewill choice to be born into a world that Satan has power and influence over your thoughts and actions?

The devil made me do it.  So don't blame me.

That's the other thing. Not only am I cursed here in a fallen world where just by the condition of being born, I WILL sin, there is no way I can act perfectly 100% score. But add ontop of that, god also created someone who does nothing but sin and assigned him the task of deliberately tempting us into sinning. So, even if it were possible for me to 100% perfectly walk through this life without sin, I got this asshole trying to screw me up.

So I haven't heard anyone offer anything contrary, so, I'll just come out and say it. It is unjust to punish me even with a slap on the wrist for those conditions set. It is unjust to punish me for not repenting when the world and my humanness were designed and planned this way.

[Lek]

If I can't avoid sinning in this life, like no matter how hard I try, how much I love god, then why do I deserve to be punished? Why do I need to be forgiven for something I literally can't avoid doing?

God is still offended by the sin even though you have no power over it. It's simply a.matter of dropping the pride and asking for forgiveness. You can't completely live a sin-free life, but you can acknowledge that God has the power and will still forgive a repentant person. It's more about whether or not you want to sin.

[GrandizerII]

If I can't avoid sinning in this life, like no matter how hard I try, how much I love god, then why do I deserve to be punished? Why do I need to be forgiven for something I literally can't avoid doing?

From the Christian perspective, man is a slave to sin, hence they are eternally separated from God spiritually. Doesn't matter if you mean well, and want to stop sinning but can't control your sinning, because it's not about intent here.

This is where the so-called Gospel (Good News) then comes in as the arguably great selling point of Christianity. You have a chance to be saved from the damnation that eventually results from being separated from God by placing your faith not in your own actions and efforts to achieve salvation but putting your faith in God to do that for you through Jesus, who was "sacrificed" for your sins.

From the atheist perspective, the answer is simple. Who cares?

[zwanzig]

God is still offended by the sin even though you have no power over it. It's simply a.matter of dropping the pride and asking for forgiveness. You can't completely live a sin-free life, but you can acknowledge that God has the power and will still forgive a repentant person. It's more about whether or not you want to sin.

This is why I don't go to Christian forums and ask these questions. Because this nonsense is indistinguishable from parody. You literally just cognitive dissonance-d yourself, mate. And like, did you read it over? Did you hear anything off? Are you a real person or just here to play games? It is impossible to tell.

I'll ask the questions but we'll not talk again, you ridiculous human being.

Why is god offended about me having limitations he literally gave me?

Why do I need to be forgiven for something I couldn't stop from happening no matter if I tried? Do you know what forgiveness is? Does intent matter or not?

The real feat would be a god who could forgive an UNrepentant person. Of course it's easy to forgive someone who's really sorry, especially if they're not really to blame. Let's see some real magic.

It doesn't matter if I want to or not. I could not want to all I like and I'll still sin despite my absolute best efforts. Like, that was the point, wasn't it? Christ was murdered because we literally CAN'T do it on our own? Remember your lore? Like, can you keep both things inside your head and view at the same time, or will you break?

It's like the whole mercy and justice thing the christ ones like to pull too.

[Lek]

God is still offended by the sin even though you have no power over it. It's simply a.matter of dropping the pride and asking for forgiveness. You can't completely live a sin-free life, but you can acknowledge that God has the power and will still forgive a repentant person. It's more about whether or not you want to sin.

This is why I don't go to Christian forums and ask these questions. Because this nonsense is indistinguishable from parody. You literally just cognitive dissonance-d yourself, mate. And like, did you read it over? Did you hear anything off? Are you a real person or just here to play games? It is impossible to tell.
When you sin do you.fight.against.it.or just do it.because.you want to?
I'll ask the questions but we'll not talk again, you ridiculous human being.

Why is god offended about me having limitations he literally gave me?

Why do I need to be forgiven for something I couldn't stop from happening no matter if I tried? Do you know what forgiveness is? Does intent matter or not?

The real feat would be a god who could forgive an UNrepentant person. Of course it's easy to forgive someone who's really sorry, especially if they're not really to blame. Let's see some real magic.

It doesn't matter if I want to or not. I could not want to all I like and I'll still sin despite my absolute best efforts. Like, that was the point, wasn't it? Christ was murdered because we literally CAN'T do it on our own? Remember your lore? Like, can you keep both things inside your head and view at the same time, or will you break?

It's like the whole mercy and justice thing the christ ones like to pull too.

[Ravenshire]

If I can't avoid sinning in this life, like no matter how hard I try, how much I love god, then why do I deserve to be punished? Why do I need to be forgiven for something I literally can't avoid doing?

God is still offended by the sin even though you have no power over it. It's simply a.matter of dropping the pride and asking for forgiveness. You can't completely live a sin-free life, but you can acknowledge that God has the power and will still forgive a repentant person. It's more about whether or not you want to sin.

Would you beg forgiveness of a boss who set you up to fail, then fired you for failing?

[Ravenshire]

This is why I don't go to Christian forums and ask these questions. Because this nonsense is indistinguishable from parody. You literally just cognitive dissonance-d yourself, mate. And like, did you read it over? Did you hear anything off? Are you a real person or just here to play games? It is impossible to tell.
When you sin do you.fight.against.it.or just do it.because.you want to?
I'll ask the questions but we'll not talk again, you ridiculous human being.

Why is god offended about me having limitations he literally gave me?

Why do I need to be forgiven for something I couldn't stop from happening no matter if I tried? Do you know what forgiveness is? Does intent matter or not?

The real feat would be a god who could forgive an UNrepentant person. Of course it's easy to forgive someone who's really sorry, especially if they're not really to blame. Let's see some real magic.

It doesn't matter if I want to or not. I could not want to all I like and I'll still sin despite my absolute best efforts. Like, that was the point, wasn't it? Christ was murdered because we literally CAN'T do it on our own? Remember your lore? Like, can you keep both things inside your head and view at the same time, or will you break?

It's like the whole mercy and justice thing the christ ones like to pull too.

This post make as much sense as anything else you ever post.

[Gwaithmir]

If I can't avoid sinning in this life, like no matter how hard I try, how much I love god, then why do I deserve to be punished? Why do I need to be forgiven for something I literally can't avoid doing?

God is still offended by the sin even though you have no power over it. It's simply a.matter of dropping the pride and asking for forgiveness. You can't completely live a sin-free life, but you can acknowledge that God has the power and will still forgive a repentant person. It's more about whether or not you want to sin.

God is supposed to be all-good and all-powerful. If God is offended by sin, there wouldn't be any. Nothing can happen against God's goodness and God's will.