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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 11:58 am
(July 19, 2023 at 11:44 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 19, 2023 at 11:25 pm)Ten Wrote: This is why I don't go to Christian forums and ask these questions. Because this nonsense is indistinguishable from parody. You literally just cognitive dissonance-d yourself, mate. And like, did you read it over? Did you hear anything off? Are you a real person or just here to play games? It is impossible to tell.
When you sin do you.fight.against.it.or just do it.because.you want to?
I'll ask the questions but we'll not talk again, you ridiculous human being.
Why is god offended about me having limitations he literally gave me?
Why do I need to be forgiven for something I couldn't stop from happening no matter if I tried? Do you know what forgiveness is? Does intent matter or not?
The real feat would be a god who could forgive an UNrepentant person. Of course it's easy to forgive someone who's really sorry, especially if they're not really to blame. Let's see some real magic.
It doesn't matter if I want to or not. I could not want to all I like and I'll still sin despite my absolute best efforts. Like, that was the point, wasn't it? Christ was murdered because we literally CAN'T do it on our own? Remember your lore? Like, can you keep both things inside your head and view at the same time, or will you break?
It's like the whole mercy and justice thing the christ ones like to pull too.
When you sin do you really try not to or do you sin because you want to and enjoy it?
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 12:40 pm
(July 12, 2023 at 7:50 am)Ten Wrote: If I can't avoid sinning in this life, like no matter how hard I try, how much I love god, then why do I deserve to be punished? Why do I need to be forgiven for something I literally can't avoid doing?
It seems like Ten is one of the Pet Shop Boys
Everything I've ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I've ever been
Everywhere I'm going to
It's a sin
The truth is that "sinning" is just being normal and free, only lobotomized people don't sin.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 12:41 pm
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Lek.....
All competent moral agents, regardless of the contents of their moral systems, try to avoid the things their moral systems prohibit, and feel guilt and shame when they fail. Even when....especially when their moral system is ridiculous. When there is no reason for the prohibition, when there is no reason to feel guilt, when there is no need to be ashamed. It's pathological.
You're trapped in that box yourself, so why ask others to answer the question? Are you reaching out for other terrible people, lonely wherever you're at, loving evil and wanting to do it? Are you an incompetent moral agent, assuming...or even hoping...that others are like you? I've long been of the opinion that this is the working bit of christianity. It tells folks who know that they're shitty people that there's a way out of the consequences of their own shittiness, even if they won't stop being shitty.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 1:13 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote: When you sin do you really try not to or do you sin because you want to and enjoy it?
Why would something be a sin if it’s joyful, is what you should be asking yourself
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 1:39 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 12:41 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Lek.....
All competent moral agents, regardless of the contents of their moral systems, try to avoid the things their moral systems prohibit, and feel guilt and shame when they fail. Even when....especially when their moral system is ridiculous. When there is no reason for the prohibition, when there is no reason to feel guilt, when there is no need to be ashamed. It's pathological.
You're trapped in that box yourself, so why ask others to answer the question? Are you reaching out for other terrible people, lonely wherever you're at, loving evil and wanting to do it? Are you an incompetent moral agent, assuming...or even hoping...that others are like you? I've long been of the opinion that this is the working bit of christianity. It tells folks who know that they're shitty people that there's a way out of the consequences of their own shittiness, even if they won't stop being shitty. (my bolding)
This is why so many christers are such truly loathsome people. They believe that in their own personal Monopoly game of life, that they have a permanent "Get Out of Jail Free" card to excuse anything they do, as long as they beg their sky-daddy hard enough for forgiveness. It is a sincerely repugnant belief with absolutely no regard for those harmed along the way.
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 1:39 pm
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Joyful things are sins because the christian pitch has extremely limited native appeal. You've got the handful of genuinely malicious people locked in...but what about the rest of us? It takes alot more social engineering to insist that they are unwell, and in need of the same cure as the nuts.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 4:45 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 1:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: (July 20, 2023 at 11:58 am)Lek Wrote: When you sin do you really try not to or do you sin because you want to and enjoy it?
Why would something be a sin if it’s joyful, is what you should be asking yourself Many of the worst murderers loved it.
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 5:18 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 4:45 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 20, 2023 at 1:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Why would something be a sin if it’s joyful, is what you should be asking yourself Many of the worst murderers loved it.
That’s what you call intelligent design right there.
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 5:20 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 12:01 am)Ravenshire Wrote: Would you beg forgiveness of a boss who set you up to fail, then fired you for failing?
Going to ignore this question forever, @ Lek?
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RE: I literally cannot avoid sinning; so, why...
July 20, 2023 at 5:32 pm
(July 20, 2023 at 5:20 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: (July 20, 2023 at 12:01 am)Ravenshire Wrote: Would you beg forgiveness of a boss who set you up to fail, then fired you for failing?
Going to ignore this question forever, @Lek? I guess if he could either annilate me or give me complete peace I would! Joking aside, we choose to sin. I guess God knows that, given the opportunity, we will choose sin. That's not saying at every point we will, but we still will. Don't take my word for trying to understand God because honestly, I don't know why. God does what he does.
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