Sin and death

[LinuxGal]

A simpletons appeal to fantasy, and for what?  To assert a degenerate god.

Well yeah, people should know God is a piece of shit. That's why people should believe in Him, so that He doesn't fuck them up.

Funny how the only ones who ever get possessed by demons are Catholics and shit.

[Ahriman]

Well yeah, people should know God is a piece of shit. That's why people should believe in Him, so that He doesn't fuck them up.

Funny how the only ones who ever get possessed by demons are Catholics and shit.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Bucky Ball]

And Adam's still at it, wiping out whole species now.

If you go by the parameters of that myth, Adam has to be a victim himself logically speaking. 

God made a rigged bet with Lucifer that neither Adam or Eve had knowledge of or any say in. They were basically poker chips in a rigged bet.

The great Doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, said (I think it was in the "Compendium").
that the reason the tempter went to Eve first, was that "the light of reason shone less brightly" in her.. A mysogenist, if ever there was one.
I was in the library at Gethsemane Abbey, in Kentucky, always having been a fan of Thomas Merton, had become a friend of the Abbott there. I still visit there every June .... when I first read that.

In those years I came to realize Merton had most likely broken his vows, (see "Beneath the Mask of Holiness"), as well as having been murdered by the US secret information services, as he was about to publish against the Viet-Nam war, which would have been a disaster for the US as Catholics loved him. The monastery recognized this, but chose to deny it. Now there is a fairly new book about all this in a book by Hugh Turley. Well worth the reading and the discovery of the photograph of his murdered body, ... not the electrocution as they claimed. "The Martyrdom of Thomas Merton"

Actually Eve and the "rib" and all sorts of other things, came directly from Babylonia mythology, (what didn't ?). 
Details on request. (Our paper "Salvation, Mythic Origins", had one of the highest hit rates on the old TTA). 
Written when I was in "Divinity School" 10 years ago.

[LinuxGal]

If you go by the parameters of that myth, Adam has to be a victim himself logically speaking. 

God made a rigged bet with Lucifer that neither Adam or Eve had knowledge of or any say in. They were basically poker chips in a rigged bet.

The great Doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, said (I think it was the "Compendium, 
that the reason the tempter went to Eve first, was that "the light of reason shone less brightly" in her.

Eve: "Yahweh says this fruit is fatal within twenty-four hours of ingestion. Snake says it will not affect our longevity at all, but it will instantly confer an education in ethics. They can't both be correct, by the law of non-contradiction. I want to start human trials to find out who's lying, but the two of us, we're it right now as far as the human population goes."

Adam: "You eat it if you want to. I don't think we're supposed to eat it."

Eve: "I need you to eat it also to rule out any sex-based differences in the reaction.  Ideally I'd also have a control group and feed 'em dates or something but I have to go with what's available right now."

Adam: "Okay."

[Foxaèr]

Comparing an unrealistic concept with death is quite the slippery slope. Look at the avalanche.

[Bucky Ball]

The great Doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, said (I think it was the "Compendium, 
that the reason the tempter went to Eve first, was that "the light of reason shone less brightly" in her.

Eve: "Yahweh says this fruit is fatal within twenty-four hours of ingestion. Snake says it will not affect our longevity at all, but it will instantly confer an education in ethics. They can't both be correct, by the law of non-contradiction. I want to start human trials to find out who's lying, but the two of us, we're it right now as far as the human population goes."

Adam: "You eat it if you want to. I don't think we're supposed to eat it."

Eve: "I need you to eat it also to rule out any sex-based differences in the reaction.  Ideally I'd also have a control group and feed 'em dates or something but I have to go with what's available right now."

Adam: "Okay."

The gods say "they will attempt to become as one of us, knowing BOTH good AND evil". Eating and not eating. Not possible in the human condition. Chaos. Not order.
The chaos defeated in the Babylonian slaying of the Dragon of Chaos, ("Marduk Slays the Dragon od Chaos") is again readdressed.  
(ie return to no choice of ONE thing over another in this myth), is a return to chaos.

[ronedee]

Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death".  

Does this mean animals sin as well?  Even uni-cellular organisms?  Do plants sin?  Because they all die as well, not just humans.  

Why does an animal die if it doesn't know the moral difference between right and wrong?

I didn't think this question was fully explored....

Obviously, most people lack the spiritual understanding needed to "believe". The Holy Spirit will provide the answers. If one sincerely asks?
But no one cares to ask. It's easier to ignore any other purpose in life, but ones hedonism and pursuits of mockery and disdain for anything
or anyone with spritual aspirations.

How do mere, freewill, evil choosing humans become Divine and inherit the Kingdom of God? 

*God the Father, Loves us that much! And, He would not let us go through anything that He (through the embodiment of Jesus) would not go through Himself. 

Even though WE choose sin, He suffered the curse of death for it. This erases His original curse (that death was ONLY for those that sin). This act of Love opens the door again to eternal Life.... IF, we so choose to "believe" (there's that ugly word again!) in Jesus and His sacrifice for us. 

His sacrifice only opens the door. It doesn't push us through it! That's still up to us to hear His word, live it and walk through....with our "wedding garments on". In other words, a clean soul.

That incredible, profound and unfathomable sacrifice is AMAZING! Thank you, Lord Jesus for dying for my sins and those of the whole world. 
Amen

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death".  

Does this mean animals sin as well?  Even uni-cellular organisms?  Do plants sin?  Because they all die as well, not just humans.  

Why does an animal die if it doesn't know the moral difference between right and wrong?

I didn't think this question was fully explored....

Obviously, most people lack the spiritual understanding needed to "believe". The Holy Spirit will provide the answers. If one sincerely asks?
But no one cares to ask. It's easier to ignore any other purpose in life, but ones hedonism and pursuits of mockery and disdain for anything
or anyone with spritual aspirations.

How do mere, freewill, evil choosing humans become Divine and inherit the Kingdom of God? 

*God the Father, Loves us that much! And, He would not let us go through anything that He (through the embodiment of Jesus) would not go through Himself. 

Even though WE choose sin, He suffered the curse of death for it. This erases His original curse (that death was ONLY for those that sin). This act of Love opens the door again to eternal Life.... IF, we so choose to "believe" (there's that ugly word again!) in Jesus and His sacrifice for us. 

His sacrifice only opens the door. It doesn't push us through it! That's still up to us to hear His word, live it and walk through....with our "wedding garments on". In other words, a clean soul.

That incredible, profound and unfathomable sacrifice is AMAZING! Thank you, Lord Jesus for dying for my sins and those of the whole world. 
Amen

What ‘death’? When you’re an immortal being, getting nailed to some bits of wood and being up and about in three days isn’t much of a sacrifice. I’ve had head colds that lasted longer.

Boru

[ronedee]

What ‘death’? When you’re an immortal being, getting nailed to some bits of wood and being up and about in three days isn’t much of a sacrifice. I’ve had head colds that lasted longer.

Boru

Immortal, doesn't mean "without pain".

I would venture to say, that question will be answered for you... someday

[Ahriman]

Nah, Jesus didn't do anything. Nothing useful, anyway.