My black ass is certainly happy that civil rights are not voted on or decided at state level.   It's shameful to believe that the basic rights of American citizens should ever be a matter of public debate.

(July 21, 2015 at 1:02 pm)Thena323 Wrote: My black ass is certainly happy that civil rights are not voted on or decided at state level.   It's shameful to believe that the basic rights of American citizens should ever be a matter of public debate.

Your black ass should realize that your civil rights were approved by congressional vote in the 13th-15th amendments and then subsequently ratified by 2/3 majorities in the State congresses such that 2/3 majority of the States agreed to ratify the amendments in order to be enacted as law. In short your basic status and subsequent rights as an American citizen were a matter of public debate and voted upon and approved at the State level.

(July 21, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Anima Wrote:

(July 21, 2015 at 1:02 pm)Thena323 Wrote: My black ass is certainly happy that civil rights are not voted on or decided at state level.   It's shameful to believe that the basic rights of American citizens should ever be a matter of public debate.

Your black ass should realize that your civil rights were approved by congressional vote in the 13th-15th amendments and then subsequently ratified by 2/3 majorities in the State congresses such that 2/3 majority of the States agreed to ratify the amendments in order to be enacted as law.  In short your basic status and subsequent rights as an American citizen were a matter of public debate and voted upon and approved at the State level.

 I'm specifically referring to the basic civil rights that are guaranteed to citizens through the US Constitution. Get it?

I'm confused: aren't native Americans... American citizens?

(July 21, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(July 21, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Anima Wrote: Your black ass should realize that your civil rights were approved by congressional vote in the 13th-15th amendments and then subsequently ratified by 2/3 majorities in the State congresses such that 2/3 majority of the States agreed to ratify the amendments in order to be enacted as law.  In short your basic status and subsequent rights as an American citizen were a matter of public debate and voted upon and approved at the State level.

 I'm specifically referring to the basic civil rights that are guaranteed to citizens through the US Constitution. Get it?

Indeed I do. First and foremost African Americans were slave property and not people . This is resolved by means of the 13th Amendment. Then after being freed African Americans were not people, but not citizens. This is resolved by means of the 14th Amendment. Through the 14th African Americans were also given access to the rights enumerated in 1-10 Amendments, but not all civic rights. This final right was to vote was secured by the 15th Amendment.

So in order for African Americans to:
1. Become free (13th)
2. Become Citizens (14th)
3. To have access to basic civic rights (14th)
4. And finally to have full access to civic rights (15th)

Public debate occurred and constitutional amendments were subsequently passed. For those amendments to take effect 2/3 of the State congress must approve the Amendment for ratification and 2/3 of all the States in the Union must ratify the amendment. If either of these thresholds are not met than the constitution is not amended.

Thus your status as a citizen and the subsequent access to basic civil rights as an African American were a matter of public debate and approved by the majority at the State level.

(July 21, 2015 at 10:00 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I feel like that's a simplistic view

I would assume a majority of Americans either support gay marriage or are passive on the issue (meaning they don't really have an opinion either way and are not against it). However, you have to look at the people in power. You've got one of the two major political parties (The Republicans) vehemently opposing it and they hold so much power to veto the decision to allow gay marriage, regardless of what the average American thinks. The Christian right-wing holds a disproportionate amount of power in America, so even if they're a minority they hold a lot of political clout to have the greater say in matters. It's not so much about majority support, it's about who holds the power.

Wow, I am not sure if you intended to rival more information then you desired.

Where to start?

"The Christian right-wing holds a disproportionate amount of power in America"  . . . So you are fighting the religious freaks. HAHAHA So they really not so crazy into thinking that the homosexual community is after them HAHAHA . . . . .So you fear the religious right “power”. . .  . . IS THIS NOT A DAMN ATHEIST FORM OR NOT, DAMN IT??!!  


The Republicans) vehemently opposing it and they hold so much power to veto the decision to allow gay marriage, regardless of what the average American thinks.
Also (love the Rachel Maddow shows in present a story one this little fact) an estimate amount of people in the gay community (60% to 75%) are actually registered republicans. HAHAHA. . . And you fear republicans “power” (who have a high number of register gay voters? !!!

 Ummm ok I guess.


Let us not forget, it is the people who elect congressional representatives and the president not lobbying groups or political parties.  


it's about who holds the power
But lest say you are correct, . . . so the thinking of the gay community is “ because we cannot control both branches, we will decided to hijack the Judicial Branch and use it as a legislating body to override the legislative branch, the branch that the people vote for to represent them?. Umm how is this not close to sabotage?

And how do you expect others to trust you if you are willing to sabotage the democratic process? Are you sure you for equality and the rights for all?

(July 21, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Anima Wrote:

(July 21, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Thena323 Wrote:  I'm specifically referring to the basic civil rights that are guaranteed to citizens through the US Constitution. Get it?

Indeed I do.  First and foremost African Americans were slave property and not people .  This is resolved by means of the 13th Amendment.  Then after being freed African Americans were not people, but not citizens.  This is resolved by means of the 14th Amendment.  Through the 14th African Americans were also given access to the rights enumerated in 1-10 Amendments, but not all civic rights.  This final right was to vote was secured by the 15th Amendment.

So in order for African Americans to:
1.  Become free (13th)
2.  Become Citizens (14th)
3.  To have access to basic civic rights (14th)
4.  And finally to have full access to civic rights (15th)

Public debate occurred and constitutional amendments were subsequently passed.  For those amendments to take effect 2/3 of the State congress must approve the Amendment for ratification and 2/3 of all the States in the Union must ratify the amendment.  If either of these thresholds are not met than the constitution is not amended.

Thus your status as a citizen and the subsequent access to basic civil rights as an African American were a matter of public debate and approved by the majority at the State level.

Clearly, you go on online in between posts and frantically search the web for information to back up whatever point your trying to make. That's hardly impressive and I seriously doubt anyone under the age of nine would believe that you are well-versed in matters of the law. Seems to me that if you actually understood the law and the Constitution, you would understand why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage, even if you personally disagree with it.

(July 21, 2015 at 1:55 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm confused: aren't native Americans... American citizens?

You would think but ever since politically correctness come into play the correct terms are  

Native Americans
African Americans
Asian Americans
Latin American
Hispanic American
Mexican American
. . . .and so forth

Basically any none white/ European American has to use the politically correct term of calming their race/ethnic group before they can clam to be Americans.

You know, so as not to sound too "races". Like:  "Crime in progress. Two blacks are braking in." to "crime in progress, possible African Americans barking in"

Just sounds  .ummm. . .so . .ummmm . . .  . intellectual . . . then black, brown , yellow.  

(July 21, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(July 21, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Anima Wrote: Indeed I do.  First and foremost African Americans were slave property and not people .  This is resolved by means of the 13th Amendment.  Then after being freed African Americans were not people, but not citizens.  This is resolved by means of the 14th Amendment.  Through the 14th African Americans were also given access to the rights enumerated in 1-10 Amendments, but not all civic rights.  This final right was to vote was secured by the 15th Amendment.

So in order for African Americans to:
1.  Become free (13th)
2.  Become Citizens (14th)
3.  To have access to basic civic rights (14th)
4.  And finally to have full access to civic rights (15th)

Public debate occurred and constitutional amendments were subsequently passed.  For those amendments to take effect 2/3 of the State congress must approve the Amendment for ratification and 2/3 of all the States in the Union must ratify the amendment.  If either of these thresholds are not met than the constitution is not amended.

Thus your status as a citizen and the subsequent access to basic civil rights as an African American were a matter of public debate and approved by the majority at the State level.

Clearly, you go on online in between posts and frantically search the web for information to back up whatever point your trying to make. That's hardly impressive and I seriously doubt anyone under the age of nine would believe that you are well-versed in matters of the law. Seems to me that if you actually understood the law and the Constitution, you would understand why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage, even if you personally disagree with it.

   Don' t turn in to the mad computer monster just because you can't cut and past or read faster then him/she.    . . . And [i]Civil Rights mean's  right conferred to by the States[/i] . . .Instead of bitching that someone computer skills surpass you,  you might want to bring up your own personal skills and  . . . ACTUALLY READ A DAMN BOOK IN LAW OR HISTORY FOR SHIT SAKE!!!  [/i]

(July 21, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Anima Wrote: Your black ass should realize that your civil rights were approved by congressional vote in the 13th-15th amendments and then subsequently ratified by 2/3 majorities in the State congresses such that 2/3 majority of the States agreed to ratify the amendments in order to be enacted as law.  In short your basic status and subsequent rights as an American citizen were a matter of public debate and voted upon and approved at the State level.

The idea being, and the sickening part, that the government shouldn't be required to force people to treat others fairly. The fact that the government has to constantly be petitioned to protect the rights of minorities doesn't speak well of many of our citizens.

The legislation wasn't granting rights, it was to prevent others from continuing to trample them.