(August 5, 2015 at 4:12 pm)robvalue Wrote: I have noticed a lot of people become entirely absorbed with their kid, to the exclusion of pretty much anyone and anything around them. I can only think that the kid was used to plug up a hole in a sinking ship...

I'm a little bitch today and I deserve to be dressed up like one.

To be fair, parenting does require a lot of sacrifice. The absorption is natural, y'know?

(August 5, 2015 at 4:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I will agree with you only to the extent that most people will put their kids before their spouse, and that is not good for the marriage, and ultimately not good for the kids themselves, IMHO (unless there is abuse going on, etc). The way I see it, your spouse should always be the #1 person in your life.

I think the children and spouse should be co-equal in terms of priority.

[Copied over from the Atheism and Children thread]

(August 5, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We also believe all life is sacred, but that human life is more so.

How do you define "sacred", CL?

(August 5, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: [Copied over from the Atheism and Children thread]

(August 5, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We also believe all life is sacred, but that human life is more so.

How do you define "sacred", CL?

Coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

(August 5, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

To further clarify you are meaning to say something akin to:
"All life comes from God and thus God reveres human life more than all other life"
or
"All life comes from God and thus humans revere human life more than all other life"

Further, is it the conjunction of "coming from God" and "reverence" (from whichever source you cite) that equate to something's sanctity? Or do you consider anything that "comes from God" sacred?

(August 5, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(August 5, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

To further clarify you are meaning to say something akin to:
"All life comes from God and thus God reveres human life more than all other life"
or
"All life comes from God and thus humans revere human life more than all other life"

Further, is it the conjunction of "coming from God" and "reverence" (from whichever source you cite) that equate to something's sanctity?  Or do you consider anything that "comes from God" sacred?

The second one. (at least more than other life on earth, not necessarily more than all life, since we don't know what else is out there)

Anything that comes from God is sacred, but He dictates their level of sacredness. A human life is more sacred than that of a flea, for example.

(August 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The second one. (at least more than other life on earth, not necessarily more than all life, since we don't know what else is out there)

Anything that comes from God is sacred, but He dictates their level of sacredness. A human life is more sacred than that of a flea, for example.

Wait a minute. You just agreed with the second clarifying statement I asked you about saying that human reverence for a thing is a significant-enough factor in its sanctity to include it in your definition, and now you're saying that God is the one "dictating" what is or isn't sacred?

So let's Euthyphro Dilemma this shit:

Do humans "revere" the sacred because God dictates that it is sacred, or does God "dictate" that it is sacred because humans "revere" it?

(August 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The second one. (at least more than other life on earth, not necessarily more than all life, since we don't know what else is out there)

And that humanocentric world view is responsible for nature attempting to shrug us off right now. It's not novel by any means, but it's the reason for the ongoing destruction of the world surrounding us. It's cutting the branch we're sitting on. We're part of this world. Nothing more, nothing less. This sense of entitlement is responsible for the hottest summer in recorded history, which goes back to the 18th century, with temperatures pushing 40 degrees celsius for the third time this season. So, excuse me, if I don't take that kindly to humans being special.

(August 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(August 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The second one. (at least more than other life on earth, not necessarily more than all life, since we don't know what else is out there)

Anything that comes from God is sacred, but He dictates their level of sacredness. A human life is more sacred than that of a flea, for example.

Wait a minute.  You just agreed with the second clarifying statement I asked you about saying that human reverence for a thing is a significant-enough factor in its sanctity to include it in your definition, and now you're saying that God is the one "dictating" what is or isn't sacred?

So let's Euthyphro Dilemma this shit:

Do humans "revere" the sacred because God dictates that it is sacred, or does God "dictate" that it is sacred because humans "revere" it?

Whoops, sorry about that. I meant the first one. Yes, God's reverence, not humans'.

(August 5, 2015 at 7:42 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The second one. (at least more than other life on earth, not necessarily more than all life, since we don't know what else is out there)

And that humanocentric world view is responsible for nature attempting to shrug us off right now. It's not novel by any means, but it's the reason for the ongoing destruction of the world surrounding us. It's cutting the branch we're sitting on. We're part of this world. Nothing more, nothing less. This sense of entitlement is responsible for the hottest summer in recorded history, which goes back to the 18th century, with temperatures pushing 40 degrees celsius for the third time this season. So, excuse me, if I don't take that kindly to humans being special.

Not necessarily. Just because someone believes human life is more sacred than other life, doesn't mean we should treat other life badly. Other life is sacred as well, and should be treated with respect.