(August 6, 2015 at 11:55 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So while we're on the subject of slippery slopes...

Do you guys think that religious conviction naturally leads to murderous intent toward other humans, or do you think there's some third causative factor that just happens to tend eugenicists/rape apologists/homicidal people toward religion?

Sort of like the whole video games argument...do they make people violent, or is it just that violent people like to play them?

I think humanity in general has murderous intent toward other humans. I would argue this falls under a desire to have control. In the event that a person feels they are being denied control over their own person or choice the response is to fight. In the further event that a sustained fight is unlikely to end victoriously the person will endeavor to engage in a succinct fight. In the event the person does not feel they will come out victorious in a succession of succinct fights they will terminate the opposition upon victory of succinct fight. This is speaking generally.

More specifically it is easily shown that atheism conviction has lead to the death of far more people than religious conviction. This is readily observable throughout the history of various countries which adopted atheist principles such as but not limited too Communist Russian and China as well as Facist Germany.

(August 6, 2015 at 11:55 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: And you should not paint your favorite resort as a last resort just to be able to later make the argument that it's your last resort. Not that I would presume upon your beliefs...I'm just saying...IF you are doing that...you shouldn't. Just saying.

Ha ha. My favorite resort would be to cure disabilities, defects, and undesirable traits. But I confess that I am lazy and killing takes a lot of work. I would much rather prevent and cure and leave it at that. It is less work in the long run.

(August 6, 2015 at 11:55 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Do you guys think that religious conviction naturally leads to murderous intent toward other humans, or do you think there's some third causative factor that just happens to tend eugenicists/rape apologists/homicidal people toward religion?[/color]

That is an argument that doctor's, historians, sociology, laws, government, and the world over have been questioning for centenaries. What makes one turn to the act of murder, rape, or any violent act to another person.
It span's through time, race, religion, age, sex, economics, political ideology. In truth this ever ending question is of deadly violent wrong is truly indiscriminate to all and is always a constant.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Anima Wrote: Nakedly homophobic?  I do not limit it to homosexuals.  That is the treatment I would adopt for the state of any and all disabilities, impairments, or non-desirable traits.

You're grouping homosexuality with murderers and paedophiles. Just stop and think for a minute, will you? Just think.

Quote:Furthermore, your efforts to paint me as a monster is foolish as THIS IS WHAT SOCIETIES THE WORLD OVER DO NOW AND HAVE DONE SINCE THE BEGINNING!!

I'm not painting you as anything, I'm outright calling you a bigoted piece of shit purely from what you've been giving me. THEY DO THAT FOR A GOOD REASON, PEOPLE ARE REALISING GAY BASHING IS JUST NOT ON, NO MATTER HOW MANY CAPITAL LETTERS YOU USE!!

Quote:The whole point is to endeavor to avoid the final solution.  It is only when all else fails that extermination is considered.  Stop acting like it is the desired solution.

Bullshit. Only an extremely insecure, bile-filled individual would even consider exterminating gays. It doesn't matter how much you dress up and polish your turd, at the end of the day you just crimped a shit in my driveway and it still stinks.

He was born in the wrong age. He would make a great bible character.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm)robvalue Wrote: OK time to vote: is this guy for real?

Is this a poe playing the long game? I'm starting to think it must be.

Sure but, you did not address my question I asked you. I would like an answer.

You guys do know that is discussion that he has been having was based on a hypocritical argument that was set up by others in this board right? "To argue just for fun." . . . .The man is not running for government here, or pushing any form of legislation, calling people to kill, nothing.

His conclusion thus far is the continuation in logical terms of the FAKE ARGUMENT that has been going on this board like some time after the court ruling.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Ace Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm)robvalue Wrote: OK time to vote: is this guy for real?

Is this a poe playing the long game? I'm starting to think it must be.

Sure but, you did not address my question I asked you. I would like an answer.

What question? I can't make a lot of sense from what you type I'm afraid.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Anima Wrote: Nakedly homophobic?  I do not limit it to homosexuals.  That is the treatment I would adopt for the state of any and all disabilities, impairments, or non-desirable traits.

You're grouping homosexuality with murderers and paedophiles. Just stop and think for a minute, will you? Just think.

Don't forget hetero sexuals, necrophiliacs, rapists, and any other group which may be argued is born with a predisposition to engage in certain conduct. They are analogous. In these case the parties claim they are born that way inherently, the parties claim they have a irresistible impulse, and the parties desire to manifest that impulse. From these points discussion then proceeds to whether society or the state should permit, encourage, or sanction such conduct. Do not get so stuck up on the grouping.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Anima Wrote: Furthermore, your efforts to paint me as a monster is foolish as THIS IS WHAT SOCIETIES THE WORLD OVER DO NOW AND HAVE DONE SINCE THE BEGINNING!!

I'm not painting you as anything, I'm outright calling you a bigoted piece of shit purely from what you've been giving me. THEY DO THAT FOR A GOOD REASON, PEOPLE ARE REALISING GAY BASHING IS JUST NOT ON, NO MATTER HOW MANY CAPITAL LETTERS YOU USE!!

Quote:The whole point is to endeavor to avoid the final solution.  It is only when all else fails that extermination is considered.  Stop acting like it is the desired solution.

Bullshit. Only an extremely insecure, bile-filled individual would even consider exterminating gays. It doesn't matter how much you dress up and polish your turd, at the end of the day you just crimped a shit in my driveway and it still stinks.

Ha ha. Let me see if I can help you out here. What do you do with a serial rapist or murder? Do you ever consider killing them? We must since we execute people. Now was the execution your first option? No. Was it an option? Yes. So when do you exercise that option? As a last resort. As such it must be included as an option for treating (NOT JUST HOMOSEXUALS) all disabilities, defects, and undesirable traits. Treatment is defined generally so as to avoid special pleading. Argument then follows as to which degree a specific group may be treated based on objective criterion.

Are we now going to spend several pages of misrepresentation of what I have said followed by ad hominem attacks?

I understand it. Fallacious arguments is all you have had from the beginning. But it really is a waste of time and does nothing more than to detract from the discussion.

(August 6, 2015 at 12:22 pm)robvalue Wrote:

(August 6, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Ace Wrote: Sure but, you did not address my question I asked you. I would like an answer.

What question? I can't make a lot of sense from what you type I'm afraid.

When gay people come out to their family are the family's happy, over joy, sad, what?

It has been said that Some family's are accepting and some are not, some family even disown their kid.

Do you not think for a second that the family does not feel anything, even sadness and some pain when told a love one is gay?

Or do truly believe that no one in the family has no feel anything on the matter? No one give's any reaction when a love one tells family that they are gay?