(August 12, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Drich Wrote: got to the terminal, and the trip was postponed by the higher ups involved. soI'm back

Good thing you didn't recieve a cavity search - they'd never be able to look past your head stuffed up your rectum.

(August 12, 2015 at 11:35 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(August 11, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Drich Wrote:

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Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.

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Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually.

I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years
went by, nothing of consenquence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very appearent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn.
We need to learn through the pains of sin and consenquence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.

No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16
If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong.

Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.

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What was the very first specific act that was identified as a "sin" in the biblical fairy tale?  That means that the act itself was specifically identified as a "sin" and not something that just pissed the God character off.

That is why the doctrine of original sin fails. The act is not/was not the original sin. Lucifer's rebellion was the original sin. (which happened before the fall of man because how else was he in the garden tempting them?) Adam and Eve did not know of sin till they ate the forbidden fruit, and therefore were not subject to the law of sin. They had a singular choice given to them in the garden. eat the forbidden fruit and die outside of God's will for them, or do not touch that tree or it's fruit and continue on with God. they did not need to fully understand sin to know that that fruit would kill them. The fruit ended their immortality and direct relationship with God. Who they were pre fall, died that day when they were cast out of the garden and the clock of their time in this world started. Adam and Eve's first true sin happened outside the garden. Because it was only then that they knew right from wrong and chose wrong anyway.

(August 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(August 12, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Drich Wrote: got to the terminal, and the trip was postponed by the higher ups involved. soI'm back

Good thing you didn't recieve a cavity search - they'd never be able to look past your head stuffed up your rectum.

Your right it was a good thing.. for them. flying makes me 'bubbly' (not in a cheerful way) in my 'cavity.'

(August 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You got a deal, Let me just murder a few children before I get the celestial high five from Jesus. Man i wish I knew about this loophole sooner, Rape and Debauchery here I come!

From the quality of your past posts here so far, you've must have known of said loop holes. Because given the age of the post you just quoted from. I find it hard to believe you came up with such a *witty and *original quip so quickly, and on your own. (as you did not leave any citations.)

Here's something to tick over waldorf.. (Or is it Statlor?) Maybe once in a while try to speak topically. Meaning don't just quote and add your muppeted zinger.. try thinking on the topic some and speak on a subject topically. Yes zingers are fun, but if you don't learn to use your words for something other than 'ney saying' you will wake up one day and realize you have never truly committed to anything.

(Ney saying is the safe way to be semi involved in something without taking an involved stand for anything)

Here's an idea/challenge why don't you start a thread. One that has you in the role of a yea-sayer that everyone else will poo poo on?




*Add the prefix "Un" to the words to read how I truly feel.

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(August 12, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(August 12, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Drich Wrote: From the quality of your past posts here so far, you've must have known of said loop holes. Because given the age of the post you just quoted from. I find it hard to believe you came up with such a *witty and *original quip so quickly, and on your own. (as you did not leave any citations.)

Here's something to tick over waldorf.. (Or is it Statlor?) Maybe once in a while try to speak topically. Meaning don't just quote and add your muppeted zinger.. try thinking on the topic some and speak on a subject topically. Yes zingers are fun, but if you don't learn to use your words for something other than 'ney saying' you will wake up one day and realize you have never truly committed to anything.

(Ney saying is the safe way to be semi involved in something without taking an involved stand for anything)

Here's an idea/challenge why don't you start a thread. One that has you in the role of a yea-sayer that everyone else will poo poo on?




*Add the prefix "Un" to the words to read how I truly feel.

Nothing you typed there would qualify as coherent, Deep breaths.

No zinger by the way, I was serious.  Normally out of being a productive human I refrain from horrid acts but now I've learned all it takes is a pinky promise to jesus and I'm safe, So I'd like to eliminate a few people who have irritated me over the years, no biggie.

(August 12, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

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(August 12, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Nothing you typed there would qualify as coherent, Deep breaths.

No zinger by the way, I was serious.  Normally out of being a productive human I refrain from horrid acts but now I've learned all it takes is a pinky promise to jesus and I'm safe, So I'd like to eliminate a few people who have irritated me over the years, no biggie.

 Well, then Ignore what I said, and give that a go and see how it works for ya.

(August 13, 2015 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 12, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

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 Well, then Ignore what I said, and give that a go and see how it works for ya.

Should work just fine as long as I ask Jesus for forgiveness.

(August 13, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(August 13, 2015 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote:  Well, then Ignore what I said, and give that a go and see how it works for ya.

Should work just fine as long as I ask Jesus for forgiveness.

how do you figure that?

(August 11, 2015 at 10:31 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: So if Gaud created everything, but he totally hates sin, then why did he create sin?If he didn't create sin, who did? Did Satan? Did we? If so, why did Gaud create a system where sin could be created?

Sin did not get created, it was an allowance. Again anything not in the written or expressed will of God is sin. Meaning if a being is to be independent of God, he must have the ablity to be outside of God's will. However to be outside of God's will disqualifies one from being with God, unless atonement is made.

Quote:Why did he create a system where ANYTHING could be created by someone other than himself? The capacity for creation isn't necessary for the ability to choose, so Free Will is out.

'Free will' has always been 'out' We only have what we have been given. We have been given a choice to return to God or to stay in our sin.

Quote:The simple fact is that your Gaud supposedly created a place of eternal torment to punish people who upset him even once in the smallest of ways, and many of the ways we can upset him have no harm in them other than that he dislikes those actions for some unexplained reason.

Not according to the bible. Hell was set up for Satan's eternal torment. Nothing in scripture says that the unsaved will burn forever.

Quote:When people say, "because you have a debt that needs repaid," or, "because you're guilty of something and need to be absolved," they somehow conveniently forget that, if the rest of their beliefs are correct, then the reason that situation is true is that Gaud created the system knowing it would wind up that way.

Indeed.

Quote:That means either that he intended for the system to be that way or that he couldn't stop it from being that way (but then went ahead and selfishly created the system anyway because he'd rather have the worshippers and punish the infidels than not create the system and spare all those potential beings from hell).

God wanted to create an autonomous being as a result He had to give it the ablity to choose. Now if their is only God's written or expressed will (as per Adam/eve in the garden before the fall) then their is no autonomy. This life affords us one real choice with eternal consenquences behind it. In that we have been given over to choose where we wish to spend eternity. and yes not everyone is called to make that choice. Some people are placed in this life simply to provide the resistance needed to challenge the choice we make. That said not all who are called will heed that call either.

We are not all God's Children. In the parable of the sower, a man plants a field of grain, that night his enemy scatters his own seed/weeds among the grain. As the gain grew so too did the weeds, a servant asked the land owner did you not plant good seed? He answered yes I planted the best seed. But an enemy has scattered his seed among the grain I planted. The servant then asked shall we pull up the weeds? The land owner said "No allow them to grow up together and until the harvest, then separate the weeds from the wheat. take the wheat to the store house and burn the weeds in the fire.

So again, 'we'/Man are not all God's seed.

Remember God only Created Adam, from Adam produced Eve. Everyone else is a reproduction of what God created.

Quote:[color=#cc3399]The bottom line: your god does not love us.

Not everyone no. Why should He?

Quote:He only cares about worship and obedience.

If this were true He would have never put the tree in the Garden

Quote: He is a worse monster than the worst human Earth has ever produced,

That's a subjective claim. To the british Washington was a terrorist, and a war criminal. To us He was a hero. Like wise To those who want to spend an eternity with god putting those who do not into the fire is a good thing. Even if those going do not think so. Just like those going to serve a life sentence hate the jail, the gaurds, and even society. They may think it unfair or even evil. But so what... Who really cares what people who do not or can not live with in the rules of a decent society think?

To the monsters who are locked up, we are the monsters for locking them up and restricting their want and will.

But again who cares what they think? They are the monsters they are the Zombies who will turn given enough time, especially when the cure is within their grasp.

(August 14, 2015 at 8:50 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 13, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Should work just fine as long as I ask Jesus for forgiveness.

how do you figure that?

Are you saying he won't forgive me?