(August 15, 2015 at 10:23 am)LastPoet Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 9:34 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Uhhh....Nope is not Rhonda.

And, to clarify, are you actually going for the assertion that atheists are more prone to depression than theists?

Well, it is GC. They are special for their belief. Shit, my unbelief made me. According to their lore, i am going to fear

I only fear the pain of others. My own, lets just say I gad my share and many more is to come.

If your god exist, fuck him and you for your gullibillity. Live your futile life as is, just dont dare to tell others how to live. That whole free will BS christians speak of.

You need to get a hold of yourself, I wasn't telling anyone how to live I was saying that Christians are less likely to be depressed, I'm among Christians all the time and see how well adjusted most are. So get off your high horse with me.

GC

@ Nope, I'm sorry I see the mistake I made I meant to reply to Rhonda's post and clicked on your's by mistake, again sorry.

GC

(August 15, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 11:09 am)Godschild Wrote: Being down and depression are two totally different things, I have continuous back pain, but it doesn't lead me to depression, I understand I will always have it and accept that fact, and yes I've asked God to relieve it from time to time when it gets very bad. True belief in the God of creation could very well be of a great help in your shoulder pain, He could say go to the doctor that I gave the talents to help people heal, don't be stubborn of dumb and sit around in pain. [they all are blessed with talents from God, I believe this because they are always successful at helping me.]

I like to give credit for those talents to the people that spent their lives studying the work of countless others who studied and sacrificed their time and lives to overcome the religious right that held down medical science for centuries.  But hey, you go ahead and thank a wizard in the sky... that's reasonable.

Godschild Wrote:What I was referring to was all the atheist that are or were here that have sad they have depression, I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that does keep me depressed from time to time and take medication to control it, I have a good Christian doctor who puts me with the best doctors to treat my ailments, they may be Christian doctors or they may not,

...And immediately after you accuse the general population of atheists of being depressed due to their atheism, you go and admit that you yourself are depressed.  Does your god also get the credit for giving you your imbalance?  Curious how your god STILL needs doctors to cure what he gave you.  Curious how your belief structure has nothing to do with your depression but somehow atheists are depressed because of their belief structure.  Got a nice hot cup of hypocrisy there godschild.

And yet you wonder why atheists get angry at you.
I was nearly always depressed when I worshiped your god.  I have been occasionally depressed while NOT worshiping your god.

...and this is for everybody:  Depression needs no religion or lack thereof to rear its ugly head in your life.  Stop connecting the two simply to promote your filthy agenda.  


Fucking pathetic.

Just stay out of my conversations none of what you said about me and what I said is true, you're an outright liar. This is all I have to say to you, a person who holds a grudge against all Christians because he can't get along with his dad, that's not my fault, you need to get over it and live a normal life, if that's possible by now.

GC

(August 15, 2015 at 9:30 am)Godschild Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 8:09 am)Nope Wrote: Depression and bipolar disorder is in my genes apparently. Several people in my family are alcoholics or addicted to religion. For them, admitting that you are depressed is a character flaw that Jesus can cure. They put on happy music or throw themselves into church. Sadly, the people closest to them often suffer from their denial. I think that untreated depression is probably as common among Christians as it is atheists but Christians are less likely to seek help or admit that they aren't happy. At least among my religious family and friends, lying to yourself seems to be a shared trait.

I'm not a fan of Focus on the Family but this article is a good description of how hard it is for many Christians to admit that they have a mental disorder.
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/lifechal...ian-family

I must disagree here with what you say, after five plus years here most of the atheist who have come here have express they are currently depressed ( at the time they are here) and some talk about ending their lives, the facts from this forum alone are against your statement Rhonda.

GC

That's quite a claim to make, that most of the atheists that come here are currently depressed. I don't see how you could possibly make statement that with any degree certainty. How did you come to that conclusion? I have seen exactly two posts on this forum expressing thoughts of suicide, although I'm sure there are some that I haven't read. What's the total number of users on this forum? Of all of the users, how many are atheists? How many atheists have made a post contemplating suicide? Statistically is that number higher than the general population? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge regarding this matter and I am genuinely interested in seeing your research.

(August 15, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 9:30 am)Godschild Wrote: I must disagree here with what you say, after five plus years here most of the atheist who have come here have express they are currently depressed ( at the time they are here) and some talk about ending their lives, the facts from this forum alone are against your statement Rhonda.

GC

That's quite a claim to make, that most of the atheists that come here are currently depressed. I don't see how you could possibly make statement that with any degree certainty. How did you come to that conclusion? I have seen exactly two posts on this forum expressing thoughts of suicide, although I'm sure there are some that I haven't read. What's the total number of users on this forum? Of all of the users, how many are atheists? How many atheists have made a post contemplating suicide? Statistically is that number higher than the general population? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge regarding this matter and I am genuinely interested in seeing your research.

First of all because I've been here for five years instead of the month you've been here. I've seen many of the atheist here complain about their depression over the years and I do mean many, now whether they have a genetic tendency toward depression or not I do not know, most did not say. There have been others who have come here over my five years who have talked about suicide, all atheist. If my memory serves me right on this, there are some here who have said they had either tried or gave serious consideration to suicide, I will not mention who, not my place. I did say most and that was a mistake I should have said many and by that I mean a lot, I hope that clears that up and sorry for creating the confusion. Sometimes I do not pick the appropriate word. I said I made my assumption from this site only, but I'm around atheist and Christians alike where I live and see their lives so mine is an assumption and I have no facts about the general population. I doubt I would agree with any poll done on this either by atheist or Christians, simply because people do not like to reveal the truth about themselves if it could shine a negative light on them them, that's human nature. Thanks for drawing my attention to using the wrong word in my first post on this thread.

GC

@GC
You may be surprised who else in your surrou dings fights depression of which you do not know.
If you've really met an unusual number of people with depression here, it's more plausibly due to it being an internet message board which makes it easier to connect with people while suffering from a mental illness. Unlike Christianity, we also don't have this hypocritical culture where you have to pretend to be happy all the time lest people doubt your committment to sparkle motion. However, where I'm from, being an atheist is such a non-issue that no one would even suggest that atheism causes depression. Maybe in your country, the Christians drive members of the atheist minority to depression because they are constantly told how they are second class humans... I've witnessed it first hand, it's real subtle. Just a thought...

I for one have been an atheist for 20+years and am not even close to having a real depression and never have been. And neither have my atheist wife, in laws, friends

(August 15, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 15, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Thena323 Wrote: That's quite a claim to make, that most of the atheists that come here are currently depressed. I don't see how you could possibly make statement that with any degree certainty. How did you come to that conclusion? I have seen exactly two posts on this forum expressing thoughts of suicide, although I'm sure there are some that I haven't read. What's the total number of users on this forum? Of all of the users, how many are atheists? How many atheists have made a post contemplating suicide? Statistically is that number higher than the general population? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge regarding this matter and I am genuinely interested in seeing your research.

First of all because I've been here for five years instead of the month you've been here. I've seen many of the atheist here complain about their depression over the years and I do mean many, now whether they have a genetic tendency toward depression or not I do not know, most did not say. There have been others who have come here over my five years who have talked about suicide, all atheist. If my memory serves me right on this, there are some here who have said they had either tried or gave serious consideration to suicide, I will not mention who, not my place. I did say most and that was a mistake I should have said many and by that I mean a lot, I hope that clears that up and sorry for creating the confusion. Sometimes I do not pick the appropriate word. I said I made my assumption from this site only, but I'm around atheist and Christians alike where I live and see their lives so mine is an assumption and I have no facts about the general population. I doubt I would agree with any poll done on this either by atheist or Christians, simply because people do not like to reveal the truth about themselves if it could shine a negative light on them them, that's human nature. Thanks for drawing my attention to using the wrong word in my first post on this thread.

GC

I understand that you've been on his forum significantly longer than I have. That's why I asked you what knowledge you were privy to that allowed you to come to such a sweeping generalization. At any rate, I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that you made a mistake and that your claim is based on assumption, rather than factual data. Assumptions can be a doozy, can't they?

(August 15, 2015 at 12:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: If my memory serves me right on this, there are some here who have said they had either tried or gave serious consideration to suicide, ..
GC

I am as atheist as you can get and I am much much happier as an atheist than I ever was as a deluded christian.

Secondly, If I were to name every single person that I've known that committed suicide, every single one of them was a professing christian. That's five people that come to mind.
My statistical sampling is completely at odds with yours.

(August 15, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: You need to get a hold of yourself, I wasn't telling anyone how to live I was saying that Christians are less likely to be depressed, I'm among Christians all the time and see how well adjusted most are. So get off your high horse with me.

GC

High horse? From the guy that claims intimate knowlege of the ultimate being. That is priceless GC, even for you. I contend that christians are less likely to confess depression due to the whole appearances scam. But hey, anything to earn you brownie points with your god.

I for one never feared hell, as the construct is absurd, but there are people in your religion driven by fear. That tells me all about it. How can you stand by it, amazes me.

(August 15, 2015 at 2:29 am)robvalue Wrote: I totally and utterly don't get what meaning God is supposed to provide. Is it just part of the indoctrination? I know religion heavily forces people to think there is no meaning without God, but what exactly is this meaning in the first place?

Is it just the fact that you're scoring points and getting ready for the afterlife? Or what? I'm serious, I have no idea. To me, living life as if it's some kind of test for the benefit a weird voyeur would make life pretty bizarre and pointless.

In fact, while waiting for the afterlife, we are taught to see this present life as meaningless and pointless of no value. It's not how long we live that makes life meaningful, but what we do with the time given. Touching people and passing on the energy. When I die, I leave a body of work and I leave somebody who will remember that I made them smile.

When you think about it, it's us who give meaning to god. Let's suppose hypothetically that god exists. He would have no culture, no art, no science, no vocation or anything to occupy his mind other than worry about we're doing. Why else is he so petty?