Thanks brother/comrade/felow forumite Rayaan. Recently I have had some discusions with an Imam somewere over in ex Yugoslavia andf because I told him that I am suspicious abot the hadiths he after a couple of posts ignored me and now doesn't want to answer any of my questions or elaborate on my comments.

But you did and that is a very good thing. To kill someone who disagres or were you can't kill to simply cease any friendship with him/her based on diferences in religion is I think an admision of the fact that he/she can't overcame their anger based on that diference.

OK, I haven't looked at your links but before I do I will ask you some other questions. What can you say about the hadith that contradicts the Quran. Also why would you believe that the hadith were 100% corect when it was transleted from person to person through Chinese whispers. Like he/her sad to him and than he said to him and on for two hundred years and then the Bukhari comes along first about two hundred years later and records it.

The worst of those recordings are I think were it says that Muhammad was maried to a six year old and started living in marriage with her when she was 9. I mean comon you don't think that its corect to live with the 9 year old in marriage, don't you?

Can you please answer and elaborate?

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Rayaan, I apologise for not reading your posts first. I didn't know that you are a God alone muslim. I was guesing that you are the mainstream traditional hadith folowing muslim.

By the way you were the first one to give me full detailed answers as to aleged contradicions in the Quran.

God alone Islam is something I have been looking into lately.

Thanks

(October 31, 2010 at 5:45 am)Ervin Wrote: Rayaan, I apologise for not reading your posts first. I didn't know that you are a God alone muslim. I was guesing that you are the mainstream traditional hadith folowing muslim.

By the way you were the first one to give me full detailed answers as to aleged contradicions in the Quran.

God alone Islam is something I have been looking into lately.

Thanks

Can I ask that as a person who says he is undecided, yet believes that there is a possibility some sort of intelligent design in the universe why you are looking at certain religions? Are you looking to join/follow a religion? And if so, why? Why does your belief need structure? Why can't your belief just be personal?

An honest and genuine question as I have never understood why people who are not born into religions or think differently later in life feel the need to join any religion as the chances of it being the right/correct/true one over all the other possible religions man has created is so small. Why can't a faith be personal, why does it have to have a gang mentality.

You may not be wanting to join a religion at all, but if you are I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Yes Skiper, I understand your logic. I also think like that at times and that is what is pointing me in the direction of Deism.

I don't want to preach but I will tell you a few things about my personal beliefs on whats God like. I'l be very brief.

Ok She loves everyone but not everyone will get an eternal life. Those that don't wil cease to exist. She doesn't get involved in our affairs or anyone elses in this dimension hence the evil or animal eating alive animal etc. She just observes.

She wants us to be strict vegans and to have great future thanks to scientific advancement. There might be some negative forces on earth and hopefuly science tels us in future how to overcame them.

She is love through and through. She has sparked the creation and left it to unfold on its own. She can't hate, the only reason that the unreformed criminals can't continue to live after this death is because its imposible, not because she wants them to cease.

She is a hipie.

Now thats a very brief explanation of my personal beliefs on whats God like.

HOWEVER, sometimes because of certain experiences I believe that there is Satan and the Quran makes sense not the hadith were Muhammad alegedly maries a 9 year old but the Quran only and I end up investigating.

And then at times I think this is all primitive people used to try to explain what science is explaining today and naiveley believing in what seems barbaric belief/s.

So I am here to investigate and I had to put undecided because thats what I am. Unbiased and undecided.

I apologise if the way I am curently anoys anyone! I am trying to make a decision!

Thanks

(November 1, 2010 at 8:28 am)Ervin Wrote: Yes Skiper, I understand your logic. I also think like that at times and that is what is pointing me in the direction of Deism.

I don't want to preach but I will tell you a few things about my personal beliefs on whats God like. I'l be very brief.

Ok She loves everyone but not everyone will get an eternal life. Those that don't wil cease to exist. She doesn't get involved in our affairs or anyone elses in this dimension hence the evil or animal eating alive animal etc. She just observes.

She wants us to be strict vegans and to have great future thanks to scientific advancement. There might be some negative forces on earth and hopefuly science tels us in future how to overcame them.

She is love through and through. She has sparked the creation and left it to unfold on its own. She can't hate, the only reason that the unreformed criminals can't continue to live after this death is because its imposible, not because she wants them to cease.

She is a hipie.

Now thats a very brief explanation of my personal beliefs on whats God like.

HOWEVER, sometimes because of certain experiences I believe that there is Satan and the Quran makes sense not the hadith were Muhammad alegedly maries a 9 year old but the Quran only and I end up investigating.

And then at times I think this is all primitive people used to try to explain what science is explaining today and naiveley believing in what seems barbaric belief/s.

So I am here to investigate and I had to put undecided because thats what I am. Unbiased and undecided.

I apologise if the way I am curently anoys anyone! I am trying to make a decision!

Thanks

Your not annoying me at all. The fact you seem to have an open mind is a welcome change of pace to the other type of religious folk we get here.

I still don't however understand why you need a religion when you seem to already have a good idea on what YOUR idea of a god. By accepting a religion you will be subscribing to THEIR idea of a god and THEIR rules on how THEY think god wants you to act.

Your idea of a god (while I doubt an existence of said god) seems fairly pure, and that wont last if you join a religion as you will subscribing to all the evil all the mass religions involve, especially Islam.

I also would like to ask where you got the idea of a god that wants us to be vegan and is hipie? This sounds a lot like what you want it to be, not logically what it would be.

And also the idea that "she is love through and through" and created teh universe yet it is then impossible for criminals to carry on existing despite her wanting them to. Can you explain? Because if I was an all loving being that had the power to create the universe and time I'm sure it would be possible and within what I would want to do as an all loving being to let them live in whatever after life it is you suggest exists.

Yes you are right Skiper, a theistic religion is always thinking what the Book says, never what you personaly think and it ca be overated sometimes.

Even with my own version of God there is a religion and thats Deism. In Deism all you have to believe is that there is one creator of everything and to reject theism. Like Chuck Clendenen wrote in his book"Deist, thats what I am" that Deism is a celebration of individualism.

Reason why deists believe there is one God and not more than one is because a Deist believes like Bon Johnson of the World union of deists said once that there can be only one supreme of everything.

Reason that a Deist rejects theism is because of aleged contradictions and absurdities.

My personal opinion is that maybe we all continue living after death but those that have major, serious criminal bad habits would have to go through some sort of cleansing, otherwise they would disturb balance and cause trouble.

Ofcourse my personal form of Deism is that I don't nkow that there is a God so its a form of agnosticism, but not just any agnosticism, strictly deist.

By the way I think that we have gone from Allah to a hipie God, and this forum should be as far as I know for discusion of Islam.

Thanks