(August 25, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(August 25, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If Josh's psychologist came forward and said his parent's upbringing were to blame for his molestation, I'd believe it. Until then, I think it's best not to blame the parents when we don't actually know.

The relation between sexual repression and violence is a fact. A teenaged boy, not allowed contact with the opposite sex or any expression of his sexuality in a house full of girls roughly his age is a recipe for disaster. It's apparent.
And seeing how his father was not a sex offender, the genetic factor you talked about is excluded, and even then its significance is rather overstated. The explanation is quite obvious.

(August 25, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(August 25, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: The relation between sexual repression and violence is a fact. A teenaged boy, not allowed contact with the opposite sex or any expression of his sexuality in a house full of girls roughly his age is a recipe for disaster. It's apparent.
And seeing how his father was not a sex offender, the genetic factor you talked about is excluded, and even then its significance is rather overstated. The explanation is quite obvious.

If you're using the argument that it can't be genetic because otherwise his dad would be a molester too, then the same argument can be used to say it wasn't due to his upbringing otherwise all his other siblings would be molesters too. 

All I'm saying is that it's a very incriminating accusation to say that a person's parents are to blame for that person having molested or raped someone. The Duggar's have 19 kids. As far as we know, only one of those 19 has this problem. It just seems like a rash judgement.

(August 25, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(August 25, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you're using the argument that it can't be genetic because otherwise his dad would be a molester too, then the same argument can be used to say it wasn't due to his upbringing otherwise all his other siblings would be molesters too. 

All I'm saying is that it's a very incriminating accusation to say that a person's parents are to blame for that person having molested or raped someone. The Duggar's have 19 kids. As far as we know, only one of those 19 has this problem. It just seems like a rash judgement.

Not really. Most of their children, afaik, are female, and that alone renders them less likely to be sex offenders. And for the cause to be genetic, his father had to be a molester too. Not *all* boys raised this way will become sex offenders, but it will undoubtedly affect them in a negative way.

You keep saying that I'm blaming their parents. I'm not. I'm blaming the idea of repressing sexual urges, and most of all I'm blaming Josh Duggar. Duh.

(August 25, 2015 at 4:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sure, I'll try a more succinct description.  Our moral support or tacit acceptance of the situation these people have found themselves in erodes the foundational support, ensconced by our constitution, state...and federal laws, for those very same liberties and protections we would hope to possess ourselves.  

We cannot refer to the fact that they are cheaters and that cheating is illegal to explain or justify this behavior, no ones been convicted of cheating.
We cannot refer to their immorality to explain or justify this behavior, our moral judgements are irrelevant in this context.

Our behavior, in this moral support, in this tacit approval, in these implied justifications, in that small amount of joy - is plainly, simply, -against- our own best interests, in contradiction with who we claim to be, and in glaring defiance of how we handle other, similar situations - even on these boards (leaving the US behind for a moment, as it were).  That the situation makes it difficult for us to see that clearly, or immediately, is what makes it such an interesting situation, to me.

(August 25, 2015 at 2:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My point was only to show that there are people behaving badly in all groups. And leaving he Democratic party solely due to Clinton's wrongdoings would be just as fickle as leaving Christianity solely due to Josh's wrongdoings, IMHO.

(August 25, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you're using the argument that it can't be genetic because otherwise his dad would be a molester too, then the same argument can be used to say it wasn't due to his upbringing otherwise all his other siblings would be molesters too. 

(August 26, 2015 at 8:30 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(August 25, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you're using the argument that it can't be genetic because otherwise his dad would be a molester too, then the same argument can be used to say it wasn't due to his upbringing otherwise all his other siblings would be molesters too. 

Not necessarily. Nature vs nurture are more nuanced than that.

(August 26, 2015 at 11:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: What's unfair about it?  It;s not as though anyones trying to pin some malice on good ole mom and dad.  That they created an environment strongly correlated with maladaptive sexual behaviors is simply a demonstrable fact.  The road to perdition is paved with good intent.

It's like lining a crib with razor blades, and then saying "well, I didn't -mean- for the baby to get cut".  Okay, fictitious pyschotic person, maybe you're dense, but when you line something with razor blades....things have a tendency to get cut.  No one is blaming mommy and daddy, we are recognizing that mommy and daddy contributed.