(November 1, 2010 at 10:20 am)annatar Wrote: Read the bold letters and read them carefully!
It clearly indicates to all of the heritage!
Ah but I see you are refering to this line;
" But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth of what you leave"
Eight of What you leave means from all of your all heritage and its pretty clear..
In fact even muslims know that and using some tricks to solve this problem which is called awl..
What I see here is an ignorant prophet making a mistake and his brainwashed followers trying to cover that obvious mistake..
Please Do not send me some links instead of proper answers! Its not a polite thing to do..
Besides, dont you have your own mind?

I did read the parts in bold carefully once again. However, you ignored the key words which are underlined in the verses that I quoted in my previous post and that's why all the fractions and numbers are not making any sense to you. Secondly, why do you feel so annoyed about the links? Is is it because you can't refute them? It's okay if you can't. But the reason that posted them is because the people who wrote those answers are a lot more knowledgeable on the topic of inheritance than I am.

So, if their explanations are not good enough to make you understand, then, I don't think that I can make you understand either. That's why I don't want to argue about this anymore and I don't want to get bogged down by your complicated mathematical arguments (as you did with mo3 in a different thread). I already gave an answer to your question and several links which analyze the law of inheritance in Islam with a clear and though explanation. I don't know what else to say if you still do not understand.

Quote:I did read the parts in bold carefully once again. However, you ignored the key words which are underlined in the verses that I quoted in my previous post and that's why all the fractions and numbers are not making any sense to you.

No, you ignored my calculations in the first place... Your accusation is baseless If you look at my calculations you will see that I used correct instructions for each condition.. If not then tell me which instruction I misused?!

Quote:secondly, why do you feel so annoyed about the links? Is is it because you can't refute them? It's okay if you can't.

Lets see why am I annoyed.. Because sending some links probably without even reading them is not a way of debating. I can debunk those links But why should I bother for someone who can't even write his own conclusions about the issue.. I can send you some links back and this goes on forever with no point.
not to mention debunking them will be as easy as its boring and long! Even if I do probably you wont even read them... You will just close your ears and shout "there is no mistake!"

Quote:"So, if their explanations are not good enough to make you understand, then, I don't think that I can make you understand either."

Here you are showing how prejudged you are... You believe that their explanations are definitely true and I may have trouble understanding them... Thats just blind faith...

Quote:That's why I don't want to argue about this anymore and I don't want to get bogged down by your complicated mathematical arguments (as you did with mo3 in a different thread)

Ah I see.. so you scared... That was not a complicated mathematical argument by the way it was simple arithmetic. mo3 having problems admiting that his(and your) precious allah cant do simple arithmetic that was what is complicated.
And If you dont want to talk about the errors in your religion why are you here anyway? Pure preaching isnt allowed here you know that right? So you'll have to answer questions about your religion..

I don't want to wrack my brain over this inheritance topic with you anymore. The reason is because I don't have a complete understanding of the verses well enough to tell you exactly what instructions you misused. That's why, I explained it you very briefly instead of countering all of your points one-by-one. But I know that you did misuse something, because I'm pretty sure that the Muslim scholars who have looked at the same verses for the past 1,400 years have a better understanding of the meanings of the Quran, and they didn't find anything wrong in the mathematics of the inheritance issue even after doing more analysis than you did. So, I trust their position on the verses more than I trust yours.

Of course, there are some that I don't agree with, such as your greatly admired Turan Dursun, because actually he sucks at Islam. Sorry mate.

(November 3, 2010 at 9:01 pm)Rayaan Wrote: I don't want to wrack my brain over this inheritance topic with you anymore. The reason is because I don't have a complete understanding of the verses well enough to tell you exactly what instructions you misused.

You would have thought the words of god would have been a bit more straight forward and easily understandable wouldn't you? Unless of course the Koran isn't the word of god, that cant be possible though can it?

Quote:The reason is because I don't have a complete understanding of the verses well enough to tell you exactly what instructions you misused.

Okay I get that. Then how do you know that there is no mistake? You just blindly believe that there is no mistake.. Or someone tells you so...
I don't think you are incompetent to understand those verses. They are not that hard to understand anyway(I know its little confusing but not that hard.) You just don't want to look at anything that might disprove your mighty allah do you?

Quote:I'm pretty sure that the Muslim scholars who have looked at the same verses for the past 1,400 years have a better understanding of the meanings of the Quran, and they didn't find anything wrong in the mathematics of the inheritance issue even after doing more analysis than you did.

They do know that mistake actually.. They are using a constant to fix this error. Actually it was caliph Ommar who find out this solution. Alas their solution changing percentages that the quran gave in the first place. So schollars know that error they just dont care... And for majority of muslims, they really don't know anything about it.. Good for your trusted scholars dont you think?

Quote:Of course, there are some that I don't agree with, such as your greatly admired Turan Dursun, because actually he sucks at Islam. Sorry mate

Thats why they killed him right?
Yea yea Anyone who doesn't believe in islam is suck at it right.. If you think so, feel free to prove it.. And for the records, he was one of the few who knew ancient arabic dialect which first scripts of quran written in...
I am sorry but he wasn't suck at it. Islam itself sucks... And by the way, Not a single scholar ever dared to challange him while he was offering any debate at any platform. And in most muslim counties, they literally celebrated his death... Maybe you were one of them I dont know...

(November 3, 2010 at 9:47 pm)Skipper Wrote: Unless of course the Koran isn't the word of god, that cant be possible though can it?

That's definitely possible, because an illiterate man like Muhammad (pubh) could not have written the Quran, and there is no evidence that it was copied from other sources as some claim to be the case (without having any knowledge of the history of the Quran). All the evidence proves that position to be wrong.

I've been been reading a book entitled "The History of the Quranic Text, from Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with the Old and New Testaments," by Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami. In this book, written with a great amount of research and historical details, the author responds to many different attacks on the possibility of the Quran being fabricated. He looks at each claim separate and shows why everything fails in proving that the Quran is a fabrication or an alteration of earlier works. He responds to Mingana, Jeffery, Schacht, Bergstrasser, Pretzl, Tisdall, Blachere, Puin, Guillaume, and many others who have attempted to find textual distortions in the Quran. The author gives a very honest and comprehensive analysis of all the claims against the Quran.

(November 3, 2010 at 10:34 pm)annatar Wrote: Thats why they killed him right?
Yea yea Anyone who doesn't believe in islam is suck at it right.. If you think so, feel free to prove it.. And for the records, he was one of the few who knew ancient arabic dialect which first scripts of quran written in...
I am sorry but he wasn't suck at it. Islam itself sucks... And by the way, Not a single scholar ever dared to challange him while he was offering any debate at any platform. And in most muslim counties, they literally celebrated his death... Maybe you were one of them I dont know...

Nah, I was certainly not one of them. I don't celebrate when people die. I still don't know what led him to atheism, though.