robvalue Wrote:And we nailed him up because he was annoying. That would explain the total god absence since then, yeah?

It would but it doesn't explain why the fucker was never there in the first place.

Is this Omnomnom trying to get everyone riled up again?

Hmmm.... not sure, I haven't heard anything about demon penises yet so it's hard to tell.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:10 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Is this Omnomnom trying to get everyone riled up again?

Sinner sinner chicken dinner

(October 8, 2015 at 10:18 am)Evie Wrote: Hmmm.... not sure, I haven't heard anything about demon penises yet so it's hard to tell.

That's because those of us who have them don't talk about them except in select company.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:12 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: it is a sad verse.. the way is simple, accessible, and easy to enter, but many will try their own way and it'll fail hard

Your interpretation seems to be the exact opposite of the plain meaning of the verse.

how

(October 8, 2015 at 10:35 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:18 am)Evie Wrote: Hmmm.... not sure, I haven't heard anything about demon penises yet so it's hard to tell.

That's because those of us who have them don't talk about them except in select company.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-37005-po...pid1075537

(October 8, 2015 at 10:35 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:18 am)Evie Wrote: Hmmm.... not sure, I haven't heard anything about demon penises yet so it's hard to tell.

That's because those of us who have them don't talk about them except in select company.

Shhhh don't let them know about our secret demon penis club where we all like to do weird culty shit together such as - oh fuck I gave away too much myself already.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:39 am)Evie Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:35 am)Crossless1 Wrote: That's because those of us who have them don't talk about them except in select company.

Shhhh don't let them know about our secret demon penis club where we all like to do weird culty shit together such as - oh fuck I gave away too much myself already.

So that's where Japanese tentacle porn comes from! #themoreyouknow

(October 8, 2015 at 2:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 12:49 am)Jenny A Wrote: What does pride have to do with thinking that the crucifixion was necessary to salvation; and if it wasn't, what was the point of the crucifixion?

I'm saying most Christians won't agree with the 'belief only in Jesus for their salvation'. Sorry I wasn't clear, but many sects of Christianity preach a different gospel than the one preached by the bible. They take away from the cross by adding their own works like repenting from their sins (repentance gospel) and being a good disciple of Christ (lordship gospel) which is all pride. The bible states clearly that the only thing to be proud about is what Jesus did and how GOd saved us.

I know many Christians wouldn't agree with you. And they are reading the same Bible though perhaps in a more accurate translation than the King James. Mostly the problem is the Bible is far from clear. Jesus talks in parables which are by there very nature unclear. Frankly, the Gospels in the Bible don't agree. The synoptics aren't too far from each other doctrinally, but the Jesus in John is so far from the Jesus in the synoptics he might as well be on another planet. And Paul's letters are somewhere else again.

But you still aren't getting to my question. If belief in Jesus is all that's necessary for salvation and that's what Jesus says (when he isn't preaching works which he also does) before he is crucified, why is the crucifixion necessary? And why did baptism work before Jesus died?