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(October 11, 2015 at 3:03 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i believe in God but do not believe in religion . I had a very convincing experience about 9 years ago and since then have had a continuous relationship with God . I was raised by athiests and never had much respect for religion and even less now that i believe in God . I enjoy debating on a variety of different topics so i just wanted to say hi

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(October 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 11, 2015 at 3:48 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Did you take a picture? Did anyone corroborate that saw what you saw?

My first instinct, if I see something that seems to defy the laws of physics, is to grab someone else and get them to tell me what they see. Barring that, I have an 18 MegaPixel camera in my pocket at all times.

if you really seen something that defied the laws of physics i think you would be shocked and scared although all people are different and react differently to things during the time it was happening i thought it was a man made environmental disaster thats what i immediately assumed , i went inside my house and everytime i tried to go back to the spot i couldnt go back to it or go past my porch because i was overcome with emotion every time i tried although i couldnt understand why .

however even if i did take a picture who on earth would believe in God because of a picture?

My first reaction is woah wtf grab a camera. What's more isbthat that is actually very common with rain where I'm from. Ive seen plenty of times where it is wet on my cars rear window and not the front, when first getting in the car. Its a far bit rarer with snow because of the aerodynamics of a snow flake, it would require the air to very still. Where as with water droplets its harder for the wind to act on them.

Here is what I don't understand. First off why leap to the conclusion that this is a violation of the laws of nature? Secondly why feak out so much? Thirdly why base the conclusion that there is a god on intrusive thoughts that you had in a extremely emotional state.

(October 14, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(October 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: if you really seen something that defied the laws of physics i think you would be shocked and scared although all people are different and react differently to things during the time it was happening i thought it was a man made environmental disaster thats what i immediately assumed , i went inside my house and everytime i tried to go back to the spot i couldnt go back to it or go past my porch because i was overcome with emotion every time i tried although i couldnt understand why .

however even if i did take a picture who on earth would believe in God because of a picture?

My first reaction is woah wtf grab a camera. What's more isbthat that is actually very common with rain where I'm from. Ive seen plenty of times where it is wet on my cars rear window and not the front, when first getting in the car. Its a far bit rarer with snow because of the aerodynamics of a snow flake, it would require the air to very still. Where as with water droplets its harder for the wind to act on them.

Here is what I don't understand. First off why leap to the conclusion that this is a violation of the laws of nature? Secondly why feak out so much? Thirdly why base the conclusion that there is a god on intrusive thoughts that you had in a extremely emotional state.

ok well my reaction was different . this was not heavy raindrops coming straight down it was very lightweight snowflakes that should have fluttered across the line at least a few snowflakes should have . the air was not completely still slight breeze but even if it were the snowfakes falling downward would be exposed to air resistance just by gravity and moving . take a bunch of feathers no wind and create a line and drop the feathers and see if any feathers stay within the boundaries and not cross over naturally . my mind knew that something was off about what i was seeing ive watched snow fall many times in my life if you thought some scientist was manipulating nature right outside your house would you freak out ? the intrusive thoughts didnt occur until after i calmed down and continue to this day .

(October 14, 2015 at 7:38 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 14, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: My first reaction is woah wtf grab a camera. What's more isbthat that is actually very common with rain where I'm from. Ive seen plenty of times where it is wet on my cars rear window and not the front, when first getting in the car. Its a far bit rarer with snow because of the aerodynamics of a snow flake, it would require the air to very still. Where as with water droplets its harder for the wind to act on them.

Here is what I don't understand. First off why leap to the conclusion that this is a violation of the laws of nature? Secondly why feak out so much? Thirdly why base the conclusion that there is a god on intrusive thoughts that you had in a extremely emotional state.

ok well my reaction was different . this was not heavy raindrops coming straight down it was very lightweight snowflakes that should have fluttered across the line at least a few snowflakes should have . the air was not completely still slight breeze but even if it were the snowfakes falling downward would be exposed to air resistance just by gravity and moving . take a bunch of feathers no wind and create a line and drop the feathers and see if any feathers stay within the boundaries and not cross over naturally . my mind knew that something was off about what i was seeing ive watched snow fall many times in my life if you thought some scientist was manipulating nature right outside your house would you freak out ? the intrusive thoughts didnt occur until after i calmed down and continue to this day .

But as I explained this is a natural phenomenon that all be it rare it happens. Now here is where we differ. As a Christian I used to think that god spoke to me, like most Christians do. The reason I don't hear god speak to me anymore is because once I approached this feeling with skepticism I came to a conclusion. Either the god of the whole universe really is talking to me or my perception is flawed and my mind is playing tricks on me. Since we have a multitude of evidence demonstrating the flaws of human perception and none as yet of a god as well as the lack of a cohensive answer to what is a god I was forced to conclude the latter.
Given your experience I want to ask you a few more questions. First what is a god?
Second how do I tell a godlike entity from a god?
How did you employ this knowledge (what's tests did you do) to determine if it is actually a god you were in contact with. Ex. This god explaining the true nature of dark matter.

(October 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(October 14, 2015 at 7:38 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: ok well my reaction was different . this was not heavy raindrops coming straight down it was very lightweight snowflakes that should have fluttered across the line at least a few snowflakes should have . the air was not completely still slight breeze but even if it were the snowfakes falling downward would be exposed to air resistance just by gravity and moving . take a bunch of feathers no wind and create a line and drop the feathers and see if any feathers stay within the boundaries and not cross over naturally . my mind knew that something was off about what i was seeing ive watched snow fall many times in my life if you thought some scientist was manipulating nature right outside your house would you freak out ? the intrusive thoughts didnt occur until after i calmed down and continue to this day .

But as I explained this is a natural phenomenon that all be it rare it happens. Now here is where we differ. As a Christian I used to think that god spoke to me, like most Christians do. The reason I don't hear god speak to me anymore is because once I approached this feeling with skepticism I came to a conclusion. Either the god of the whole universe really is talking to me or my perception is flawed and my mind is playing tricks on me. Since we have a multitude of evidence demonstrating the flaws of human perception and none as yet of a god as well as the lack of a cohensive answer to what is a god I was forced to conclude the latter.
Given your experience I want to ask you a few more questions. First what is a god?
Second how do I tell a godlike entity from a god?
How did you employ this knowledge (what's tests did you do) to determine if it is actually a god you were in contact with. Ex. This god explaining the true nature of dark matter.

feel free to private message me anytime and/or add me as a buddy so we can talk about all those things or you can start a thread and let me know through a pm where it is i am currently in the thread personal relationships with deities i can reply there if you want to discuss there this is just really to say hi and didnt really plan to go into any detail and would not have had i not been asked but this intro can go on forever and go off into all different directions and topics if we let it (or if a mod lets it which i doubt) so just pm me anytime or go to the thread im in.