A materialistic worldview has no effect on morality at all. Whether we are all made of material or mind, morality still evolved naturally.

(October 17, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Evie Wrote: A materialistic worldview has no effect on morality at all. Whether we are all made of material or mind, morality still evolved naturally.

Then there is no real right or wrong? What is moral could be completely different, and really only reflects survivability?

(October 17, 2015 at 4:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Evie Wrote: A materialistic worldview has no effect on morality at all. Whether we are all made of material or mind, morality still evolved naturally.

Then there is no real right or wrong? What is moral could be completely different, and really only reflects survivability?

Pretty sure that isn't what he wrote.

Straw-man much?

No.... morality is about being against cruelty and suffering of humans and all other conscious creatures.

(October 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Actually.... I think you are mis-understanding the argument here.  It is not that atheist are immoral, but that morality, is difficult to account for under a materialistic worldview. It has nothing to do with moral or immoral behavior of believers or unbelievers.  But the nature of morality and that saying an action is moral or immoral is anything more than subjective opinion.

No, it is you that misunderstands. The argument is that all morality stems from god, so without god there can be no morality. Therefore, we atheists are immoral.

I've seen it dozens of times here.

This about sums us up (and we drink coffee too! which Jesus apparently considers a 'sin' too):

Whatever they say it makes me facepalm

(October 17, 2015 at 4:28 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Shining_Finger Wrote: This...Seems to need more explanation to be in context.

another atheist stereotype is that atheists are open minded

Ah, so it is a common troll tactic nowadays to call people who can and have changed their beliefs close minded? 
Cool.

I don't think Jenny is a troll at all. She genuinely means no harm. She has strong opinions and misunderstands but we all do and I just think debating is a lot more futile than I used to think it was.

Of course, I totally disagree with her viewpoints, but she's not an asshole she seems like a nice person, and not a troll.

(October 17, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Actually.... I think you are mis-understanding the argument here.  It is not that atheist are immoral, but that morality, is difficult to account for under a materialistic worldview. It has nothing to do with moral or immoral behavior of believers or unbelievers.  But the nature of morality and that saying an action is moral or immoral is anything more than subjective opinion.

No, it is you that misunderstands. The argument is that all morality stems from god, so without god there can be no morality. Therefore, we atheists are immoral.

I've seen it dozens of times here.

I suppose you are correct. I don't know the event and context which is being referred to. I'm basing this on my own experience and what I have seen elsewhere. It's the same response, but the conditions may have been different. I apologize if I was jumping to conclusions.