(October 25, 2015 at 7:37 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Blessed are the cheesemakers.

Am I the only one who thought this?

No

(October 25, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: The literal meaning for the word for “blessing” is “happy”. In the context, it would mean 'You are being part of God's covenant with His people when...'.

Incorrect.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bless

Quote:bless (v.) Old English bletsian, bledsian, Northumbrian bloedsian "to consecrate, make holy, give thanks," from Proto-Germanic *blodison "hallow with blood, mark with blood," from *blotham "blood" (see blood (n.)). Originally a blood sprinkling on pagan altars.

Min, you are blessed with information!





I'll get my coat.

(October 25, 2015 at 7:44 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(October 25, 2015 at 8:10 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: Thanks for the reply, but haven't you just replaced the word "blessed" with "grace".

For the second part of your reply , what on earth does "garnering the favours" mean? We seem to be further away, not closer to an explanation.

Grimesy

Imagine God is Mike Tyson. Lets say Mike Tyson is going through one of his delusional episodes and he has "blessed" me. That means everytime someone irritates me Mike Tyson punches their face into a mushy pulp then bites their ear off. He also promises not to push my mother down the stairs or inflict any other nasty surprises on me. I'm his homeboy, his dawg, I'm down with him like a motherfuckin' g just as long as I keep praising him, bigging him up and standing behind him in a nike hoody saying "Yeah!" when hes threatening someone who hasn't shown him the proper respect.

The principle is essentially the same.

Hmmmm . . . . maybe that explains WW2. Hitler, as a lifelong catholic must have received a "blessing" many times. So the blitzkrieg may have been God in Mike Tyson mode. Everything is becoming clearer . . . . .

(October 25, 2015 at 7:52 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: I've been pondering the words of the sermon on the mount "Blessed are the . . . ".

What does "blessed" actually mean. I have searched christian and theology websites and have not found an explanation that does not involve circular reasoning. i.e "Blessed are X means that X is filled with Gods' blessing"

Anyone help me out here? The issue is that this sermon is supposed to be the longest teaching of jesus and contain his greatest wisdoms, but I cannot get past the first line.

Regards.

Grimesy

Blessed= Rewarded by God, to be made happy

Words have their own meanings to Drippy.

"Blessed" from the Koine greek
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μακάριος makários, mak-ar'-ee-os; a prolonged form of the poetical μάκαρ mákar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension, fortunate, well off:—blessed, happy(X -ier).

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex...3107&t=KJV

But we speak English, dummy.  And your fucking KJV was written in ENGLISH.

(October 25, 2015 at 10:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(October 25, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: The literal meaning for the word for “blessing” is “happy”. In the context, it would mean 'You are being part of God's covenant with His people when...'.

Incorrect.

Quote:bless (v.) Old English bletsian, bledsian, Northumbrian bloedsian "to consecrate, make holy, give thanks," from Proto-Germanic *blodison "hallow with blood, mark with blood," from *blotham "blood" (see blood (n.)). Originally a blood sprinkling on pagan altars.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you seriously claiming that the ultimate authority on how to understand the meaning of a word in the New Testament is an English translation? Do you actually think that the KJV is normative for all Xian Bible translation? I find it hard to believe that's the case, because it's so obviously false. In fact, I'm at a loss to explain what this post is about.

As Drich explains fully and correctly, "makarios" does indeed basically mean “happy” in Greek. A beatitude is introduced in Hebrew by “asre” (happiness). It forms an ancient sayings genre common to Egypt, Greece and Israel. We know a lot about it, and hopefully this knowledge will help answer the OP.


For those interested in a little more depth (cue stampede away) what Jesus is doing here may follow the form of beatitudes, but has a serious challenge to it.

In order to be the true Israel, the listeners must follow Jesus' agenda. For example, the military conquest of the land of Israel is no longer the way ahead; instead it is through meekness that success is achieved, but the prize is the whole earth, not just a bit of land on the east of the Mediterranean.

(October 25, 2015 at 7:37 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Blessed are the cheesemakers.

Am I the only one who thought this?

No you are not.
Kids today not knowing who Monty python are, and talk to them of goons and they know not of which i speak.