Unless there is the ability to challenge the veracity of the testimony/evidence from the individual making the statement the testimony is worthless.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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Witness Evidence
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Even then, accuracy is an issue. The only way to verify the information is if one has the information to compare against in which case, no witness is needed. A collection of eyewitness testimony could be compared and go with the majority, but again, that is only corroborating evidence and not necessarily factual.
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-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: Witness Evidence
November 12, 2015 at 4:59 pm
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(November 12, 2015 at 3:19 pm)IATIA Wrote: Even then, accuracy is an issue. The only way to verify the information is if one has the information to compare against in which case, no witness is needed. A collection of eyewitness testimony could be compared and go with the majority, but again, that is only corroborating evidence and not necessarily factual. Yep. The thing is that cultural memories based on shared cultural values (like a fairy tale at the center of your world view) make the "observations" of everyone in the culture suspect. For example, if you live in a strong ghost-believing culture, you will find plenty of peole who swear up and down that everyone they know has seen a ghost. If you live in a goofy Christian culture, then you'll find plenty of people who say they've met Jeebus, talked to Jeebus, had their shingles cured by Jeebus. So much testimony, even about total bullshit, tends to snowball, especially in a relatively uneducated populace like that in the Southern states. So not only is it proven that ALL people can have false memories, but even "eyewitness" testimony will be so skewed and biased that it is worthless, despite the appeal to numbers that RR is apparently trying to establish.  
I was hoping for a more substantive reply, myself. Copypasta lacking both sources and the ability to reply indicates to me that you're not really into this conversation.
Perhaps you could take the time to reply personally that those of us have given you the respect of doing? (November 13, 2015 at 12:59 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I was hoping for a more substantive reply, myself. Copypasta lacking both sources and the ability to reply indicates to me that you're not really into this conversation. I believe I said I was going to. And if I'm not mistaken, you linked to a number of sources, which I need time to review. Should I take your copy pasta.... As meaning your not really into the conversation? RE: Witness Evidence
November 13, 2015 at 1:19 am
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(November 13, 2015 at 1:10 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(November 13, 2015 at 12:59 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I was hoping for a more substantive reply, myself. Copypasta lacking both sources and the ability to reply indicates to me that you're not really into this conversation. No, because I actually, you know, put it into my own words, and conveyed to you my own views -- supporting them with citations -- rather than than simply posting a chunk of verbiage and begging off without actually contributing to the conversation. Hopefully you're bright enough to see the difference, and better yet, to make up your own shortfall. If not, don't expect a soft-soap here ... you'll still get the business, if not so friendly, the next time around.  RE: Witness Evidence
November 13, 2015 at 2:56 am
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I'm impressed you're fighting the urge to reply with your reflex response. This is extremely rare with the theists we generally get here.
One more tip, and this isn't meant to be insulting, it applies to everyone: don't assume you must be right. That way leads to terrible arguments and twisting of evidence. Instead, have an open mind to all possibilities and see where sound logic applied to proper evidence leads you. It's only by using this method that I've discovered the times I have been completely wrong myself. Check your assumptions. This is often where the problems can start. A false or unsupported assumption poisons the whole affair. Those in search of truth should try to make as few assumptions as possible.
Also, keep in mind the kind of people you're interacting with here. You're not talking to naive illiterates who are easily impressed by good rhetoric. So whatever it is you're about to post soon, it better be really worth considering.
(November 13, 2015 at 1:10 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(November 13, 2015 at 12:59 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I was hoping for a more substantive reply, myself. Copypasta lacking both sources and the ability to reply indicates to me that you're not really into this conversation. Make sure you're reviewing them in a critical manner, and not for the sake of disagreeing with the findings. |
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