(November 19, 2015 at 9:32 am)Dystopia Wrote: If nationality is due to bloodline, then most terrorists aren't French.

Leave it to you to talk about bloodline as if it would matter. Also, good job evading the point of this not being connected in any way, shape or form to the refugees.

(November 19, 2015 at 10:48 am)abaris Wrote:

(November 19, 2015 at 9:32 am)Dystopia Wrote: If nationality is due to bloodline, then most terrorists aren't French.

Leave it to you to talk about bloodline as if it would matter. Also, good job evading the point of this not being connected in any way, shape or form to the refugees.

Quote mining is a dishonest technique, did you read the rest? Does French culture promote terrorism? If not, then how can terrorists be considered French? If it's not due to culture, then how does one become French? Did I say the terrorist attacks were connected to the refugees? I'm actually not concerned with terrorist refugees by itself because most people are not terrorists. The issue isn't terrorists, for me it is moderates. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists, but a moderate Muslim pales in comparison with a moderate Christian. The benefits of a less religious society are there and with strong evidence. You may be a moderate and think terrorists are bad, but maybe you still think gays are evil, or that women should cover their heads, or that your kids need to have your religion or they should leave the house. All those small things are bad by itself, terrorism and killing people isn't the only issue we face, by far. In fact, a terrorist minority is something we can deal with with military action and security measures, etc

How does one become French?  Really?  I think it has something to do with securing french citizenship.  Happy to clear up that mystery for you.

(November 19, 2015 at 11:12 am)Rhythm Wrote: How does one become French?  Really?  I think it has something to do with securing french citizenship.  Happy to clear up that mystery for you.

Thanks genius

If you don't benefit from the ius sanguinis criteria, then you need to apply for citizenship. What criteria do the French use? I'm assuming it has something to do with cultural integration and social integration, and remaining in the territory for X number of years (i.e. Occasional migrants who then go away don't get to become French) - If French culture doesn't promote terrorism, then why are French people making terrorist attacks?

I'm not extremely well informed on the subject but I got the idea that this might be a huge problem for Europe simply because of economic reasons.

And yes, that is disregarding the legitimate risk so many people seem to laugh off of "cultural differences".

(November 19, 2015 at 11:06 am)Dystopia Wrote: Does French culture promote terrorism? If not, then how can terrorists be considered French? If it's not due to culture, then how does one become French? Did I say the terrorist attacks were connected to the refugees? I'm actually not concerned with terrorist refugees by itself because most people are not terrorists. The issue isn't terrorists, for me it is moderates. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists, but a moderate Muslim pales in comparison with a moderate Christian.

How does one become a citizen? Either by being born there or by being naturalized. I don't know which one is the case here and I don't care.

Speaking of quotemining. That was the point I made. They are French, regardless if you consider them red blooded French males. And I was answering to the tinfoily comments above, before you chimed in with blood, honor and culture.

Yes, and third, how many moderate muslims do you know to make this statement? Oh please, I hope, not to get the "have many muslim friends" comment. It's blanket, which hardly surprises me, going by your outspoken political preferences.

(November 19, 2015 at 12:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 19, 2015 at 11:06 am)Dystopia Wrote: Does French culture promote terrorism? If not, then how can terrorists be considered French? If it's not due to culture, then how does one become French? Did I say the terrorist attacks were connected to the refugees? I'm actually not concerned with terrorist refugees by itself because most people are not terrorists. The issue isn't terrorists, for me it is moderates. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists, but a moderate Muslim pales in comparison with a moderate Christian.

How does one become a citizen? Either by being born there or by being naturalized. I don't know which one is the case here and I don't care.

Speaking of quotemining. That was the point I made. They are French, regardless if you consider them red blooded French males. And I was answering to the tinfoily comments above, before you chimed in with blood, honor and culture.

Yes, and third, how many moderate muslims do you know to make this statement? Oh please, I hope, not to get the "have many muslim friends" comment. It's blanket, which hardly surprises me, going by your outspoken political preferences.

Please, I made very specific questions about specific topics and you are still strawmanning. What the hell do you know about my political opinions anyway? Do you have enough evidence to make claims about who I am politically? Do you know my ideal model of society and how liberal or conservative I am?

I don't need to know any Muslims, that's a very easy way to corrupt research and judgment, I prefer impartial conclusions. Moderates always legitimize the ideology extremists promote by making it look more valid. It is exactly the same as if 90% of nazis were peaceful and only wanted to live in a whites only country, and using that as an excuse to promote the idea that nazism is peaceful and good.

I hate this doomsday bullshit....... I don't see how the world is going to convert for the immigrants who come from the Islamic world. A few nasty nuts get to the western world and? I am more worried about our right wing fundy politicians here.

(November 19, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Please, I made very specific questions about specific topics and you are still strawmanning. What the hell do you know about my political opinions anyway? Do you have enough evidence to make claims about who I am politically? Do you know my ideal model of society and how liberal or conservative I am?

Well, based on what you say here, as I pointed out. The parties you like, the policies you promote, the kind of blanket statements you like to make, as can be seen by the "impartial" rest of your post, which I'm not going to quote and won't grace with any reply.

The last times muslims emigrated to europe en mass....they civilized the place.  Just food for thought.

-I've wondered about this for awhile, I'll share. Had the umma not been subjected to a resounding defeat and subsequent destruction of their civilization, they may not have had to come to terms with history, interrupted - as it were. Might they have continued their progressive trend and saved medieval europe (and the modern middle east) from what we now see to be a hellish and prolonged collapse?