Makes no difference to me as I'm not in a gun nut country, i was just pointing out that using "a criminal would get a gun anyway" argument is irrelevant.

(December 3, 2015 at 8:26 am)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: No, just for civilians.

Your blind faith in the government is disturbing.

Quote:I doubt that all the guns in this country are even registered.

A registry doesn't exist.

Quote:I honestly wouldn't give a single fuck if all guns were banned outright, I would be really happy to see that happen actually.

You can keep dreaming.

(December 3, 2015 at 8:40 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 1:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I want mah Flak 41!

Fuck the measly 88, I want my atomic Annie!

See Brian? The people have spoken. They want Flak 41s, atomic Annies and the sovereign right to defend themselves against any and all intruders.
Who are you to deny it to them?

(December 3, 2015 at 9:24 am)StuW Wrote: Makes no difference to me as I'm not in a gun nut country, i was just pointing out that using "a criminal would get a gun anyway" argument is irrelevant.

It's not really irrelevant. Criminals obtain illegal guns quite a bit. It's not particularly difficult.

(December 3, 2015 at 9:24 am)StuW Wrote: Makes no difference to me as I'm not in a gun nut country, i was just pointing out that using "a criminal would get a gun anyway" argument is irrelevant.

Legal vs illegal bought guns is a bullshit argument. Year after year the stats constantly show that injury or death are in the home/neighborhood and caused between someone the person is familiar with, from BOTH legal and illegal guns. 

I wish your country would spread some of that sanity and pragmatism here. 

Nobody wants a fascist state for merely wanting to do things differently. But America is stuck with an unhealthy obsessive attitude and the industry loves that fear because it keeps profits up.

(December 3, 2015 at 11:08 am)KUSA Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 9:24 am)StuW Wrote: Makes no difference to me as I'm not in a gun nut country, i was just pointing out that using "a criminal would get a gun anyway" argument is irrelevant.

It's not really irrelevant. Criminals obtain illegal guns quite a bit. It's not particularly difficult.

Yes they do, a guy locally where I lived was caught with 7,000 guns. Him stealing them still means that the volume of guns is problematic. You cant simply say "I wouldn't do that" or "don't blame responsible gun owners" ...... He got all those guns because of the volume of opportunity to get them. 

In  a utopia if we didn't have the amount of gun death, or even gun theft, nobody would be complaining. But it is a problem both legal and illegal. It is ultimately a volume issue and ease of access issue.

(December 3, 2015 at 9:24 am)StuW Wrote: Makes no difference to me as I'm not in a gun nut country, i was just pointing out that using "a criminal would get a gun anyway" argument is irrelevant.

Except that the people who carried this out are (or were) criminals. I can't imagine they'd be like, "oh! We can't get a legal guns? Darn it! I guess we won't try to pull off that mass shooting. Bummer. We were so looking forward to that!"

Sorry but you are suggesting that we continue to serve them up on a silver platter and the result is the continuing carnage.

(December 3, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Sorry but you are suggesting that we continue to serve them up on a silver platter and the result is the continuing carnage.

Me? No I'm not. I'd rather see guns gone from this country full stop.

Then parroting NRA bullshit about how only criminals have guns is not helpful.

Our precious "lawmakers" have to stop pandering to the right-wing lunatic fringe and start acting.  Obviously, there is no one step that will solve the problem but that is no excuse to sit around with our thumbs up our asses while the body count rises.