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How many voices will it take?
#1
How many voices will it take?
The alarm bells were going off long before this General's concerns, but it is the latest to come to light from a high position of power.

Many people claim it is wrong to equate the former guy to WW2 Germany, but what can one say when a General equates your followers to "Brown Shirts"? 

Let me make it clear, just because something has not happened yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen. Our Republic isn't a given and depends 100% on vigilance and participation. But when fear and insecurity take hold to a great enough degree, it makes it easy for those in lust for power to take advantage of the vulnerable. But for the former guy, he ran for one reason only, to avoid prosecution in pending cases and knew if he won he could hide behind "you cant indict a sitting president".  Which was never in the constitution, but a mere DOJ recommendation. 

50 former Republican intel agents warned of what could happen if the former guy was elected, the first time. Thousands of lawyers nationwide expressed concern with his language and tactics in both runs. 

So you have your occasional Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. Not enough. Even today, even though the former guy lost, he is still setting the stage for toppling our Republic, even if he never gets elected again. We need the GOP of Nixon, we need politicians to put the Republic before power. 

So what does anyone have to say to a General, who was expressing concern as well? How many voices is it going to take?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html
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#2
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: The alarm bells were going off long before this General's concerns, but it is the latest to come to light from a high position of power.

Many people claim it is wrong to equate the former guy to WW2 Germany, but what can one say when a General equates your followers to "Brown Shirts"? 

Let me make it clear, just because something has not happened yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen. Our Republic isn't a given and depends 100% on vigilance and participation. But when fear and insecurity take hold to a great enough degree, it makes it easy for those in lust for power to take advantage of the vulnerable. But for the former guy, he ran for one reason only, to avoid prosecution in pending cases and knew if he won he could hide behind "you cant indict a sitting president".  Which was never in the constitution, but a mere DOJ recommendation. 

50 former Republican intel agents warned of what could happen if the former guy was elected, the first time. Thousands of lawyers nationwide expressed concern with his language and tactics in both runs. 

So you have your occasional Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. Not enough. Even today, even though the former guy lost, he is still setting the stage for toppling our Republic, even if he never gets elected again. We need the GOP of Nixon, we need politicians to put the Republic before power. 

So what does anyone have to say to a General, who was expressing concern as well? How many voices is it going to take?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

First you attack those who want to own weapons to keep the threat of a dictatorial government at bay as unrealistic and paranoid ---

And then you come here saying you can counter that same threat by flapping your gums?


Hmmm...


Really - you don' t see the flaw in that plan?
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#3
RE: How many voices will it take?
None so blind as those who refuse to see.
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#4
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 11:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(July 15, 2021 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: The alarm bells were going off long before this General's concerns, but it is the latest to come to light from a high position of power.

Many people claim it is wrong to equate the former guy to WW2 Germany, but what can one say when a General equates your followers to "Brown Shirts"? 

Let me make it clear, just because something has not happened yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen. Our Republic isn't a given and depends 100% on vigilance and participation. But when fear and insecurity take hold to a great enough degree, it makes it easy for those in lust for power to take advantage of the vulnerable. But for the former guy, he ran for one reason only, to avoid prosecution in pending cases and knew if he won he could hide behind "you cant indict a sitting president".  Which was never in the constitution, but a mere DOJ recommendation. 

50 former Republican intel agents warned of what could happen if the former guy was elected, the first time. Thousands of lawyers nationwide expressed concern with his language and tactics in both runs. 

So you have your occasional Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. Not enough. Even today, even though the former guy lost, he is still setting the stage for toppling our Republic, even if he never gets elected again. We need the GOP of Nixon, we need politicians to put the Republic before power. 

So what does anyone have to say to a General, who was expressing concern as well? How many voices is it going to take?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

First you attack those who want to own weapons to keep the threat of a dictatorial government at bay as unrealistic and paranoid ---

And then you come here saying you can counter that same threat by flapping your gums?


Hmmm...


Really - you don' t see the flaw in that plan?

Yes, damn seatbelt laws, damn speed limits, lets just sell beer to 5 year olds. Hey man, if you want to own a armed jet or drone for personal use, who am I to judge? Why have laws at all? Lets just make murder legal too. 

If I produce milk and put ricin in it, who are you to judge? 

Your problem is that laws are not decided by proxy of "because I say so", but in a free society laws are bargained and debated and agreed upon. For over 40 years though, one industry and one party has obstructed any consent.

Democrats are not the party that sells fear and hate. Democrats are not the ones who think Jeff Bezos will end up eating cat food if he pays a little more in taxes. Democrats are not the party that thinks almost 40k firearm deaths per year is acceptable. 

Who did the GOP elect? A despot wannabe, a selfish narcissist who cant handle a fair loss. Or did you forget that when Trump won the first time Hillary conceded? Unlike the second time when Trump lost. 


I'd suggest you stop fearing me, and listen to the likes of Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and Joe Walsh and Joe Scarborough and and General Milley.
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#5
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(July 15, 2021 at 11:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: First you attack those who want to own weapons to keep the threat of a dictatorial government at bay as unrealistic and paranoid ---

And then you come here saying you can counter that same threat by flapping your gums?


Hmmm...


Really - you don' t see the flaw in that plan?

Yes, damn seatbelt laws, damn speed limits, lets just sell beer to 5 year olds. Hey man, if you want to own a armed jet or drone for personal use, who am I to judge? Why have laws at all? Lets just make murder legal too. 

If I produce milk and put ricin in it, who are you to judge? 

Your problem is that laws are not decided by proxy of "because I say so", but in a free society laws are bargained and debated and agreed upon. For over 40 years though, one industry and one party has obstructed any consent.

Democrats are not the party that sells fear and hate. Democrats are not the ones who think Jeff Bezos will end up eating cat food if he pays a little more in taxes. Democrats are not the party that thinks almost 40k firearm deaths per year is acceptable. 

Who did the GOP elect? A despot wannabe, a selfish narcissist who cant handle a fair loss. Or did you forget that when Trump won the first time Hillary conceded? Unlike the second time when Trump lost. 


I'd suggest you stop fearing me, and listen to the likes of Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and Joe Walsh and Joe Scarborough and and General Milley.
Bold mine
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#6
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 12:18 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(July 15, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes, damn seatbelt laws, damn speed limits, lets just sell beer to 5 year olds. Hey man, if you want to own a armed jet or drone for personal use, who am I to judge? Why have laws at all? Lets just make murder legal too. 

If I produce milk and put ricin in it, who are you to judge? 

Your problem is that laws are not decided by proxy of "because I say so", but in a free society laws are bargained and debated and agreed upon. For over 40 years though, one industry and one party has obstructed any consent.

Democrats are not the party that sells fear and hate. Democrats are not the ones who think Jeff Bezos will end up eating cat food if he pays a little more in taxes. Democrats are not the party that thinks almost 40k firearm deaths per year is acceptable. 

Who did the GOP elect? A despot wannabe, a selfish narcissist who cant handle a fair loss. Or did you forget that when Trump won the first time Hillary conceded? Unlike the second time when Trump lost. 


I'd suggest you stop fearing me, and listen to the likes of Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and Joe Walsh and Joe Scarborough and and General Milley.
Bold mine
I didn't know you could lactate.  Amazing the things we learn as time goes on.

I am an undiscovered species.
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#7
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(July 15, 2021 at 11:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: First you attack those who want to own weapons to keep the threat of a dictatorial government at bay as unrealistic and paranoid ---

And then you come here saying you can counter that same threat by flapping your gums?


Hmmm...


Really - you don' t see the flaw in that plan?

Yes, damn seatbelt laws, damn speed limits, lets just sell beer to 5 year olds. Hey man, if you want to own a armed jet or drone for personal use, who am I to judge? Why have laws at all? Lets just make murder legal too. 

If I produce milk and put ricin in it, who are you to judge? 

Your problem is that laws are not decided by proxy of "because I say so", but in a free society laws are bargained and debated and agreed upon. For over 40 years though, one industry and one party has obstructed any consent.

Democrats are not the party that sells fear and hate. Democrats are not the ones who think Jeff Bezos will end up eating cat food if he pays a little more in taxes. Democrats are not the party that thinks almost 40k firearm deaths per year is acceptable. 

Who did the GOP elect? A despot wannabe, a selfish narcissist who cant handle a fair loss. Or did you forget that when Trump won the first time Hillary conceded? Unlike the second time when Trump lost. 


I'd suggest you stop fearing me, and listen to the likes of Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and Joe Walsh and Joe Scarborough and and General Milley.

Where the fuck did you come up with me being an anarchist?

Oh - and - I AWAYS side with the cops..


.....

Yeah... You're a new species. 

Homo Janusrectoris.


A bipedal humanoid that can talk out both sides of it's ass at the same time.....
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#8
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 12:29 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(July 15, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes, damn seatbelt laws, damn speed limits, lets just sell beer to 5 year olds. Hey man, if you want to own a armed jet or drone for personal use, who am I to judge? Why have laws at all? Lets just make murder legal too. 

If I produce milk and put ricin in it, who are you to judge? 

Your problem is that laws are not decided by proxy of "because I say so", but in a free society laws are bargained and debated and agreed upon. For over 40 years though, one industry and one party has obstructed any consent.

Democrats are not the party that sells fear and hate. Democrats are not the ones who think Jeff Bezos will end up eating cat food if he pays a little more in taxes. Democrats are not the party that thinks almost 40k firearm deaths per year is acceptable. 

Who did the GOP elect? A despot wannabe, a selfish narcissist who cant handle a fair loss. Or did you forget that when Trump won the first time Hillary conceded? Unlike the second time when Trump lost. 


I'd suggest you stop fearing me, and listen to the likes of Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and Joe Walsh and Joe Scarborough and and General Milley.

Where the fuck did you come up with me being an anarchist?

Oh - and - I AWAYS side with the cops..


.....

Yeah... You're a new species. 

Homo Janusrectoris.


A bipedal humanoid that can talk out both sides of it's ass at the same time.....

And your species name would be

"Gunfuckious, hornyous, obsessove"

An idiot who thinks guns are living things and deserve more rights than people who don't want to have their brains blown out.
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#9
RE: How many voices will it take?
Some people prefer to see you as an anarchist, OLB, rather than call you for what you are. It’s a compliment, if you learned the conversion.

They’re just saying that they would prefer it if your bad faith arguments arose out of some misguided anarchist bent.

They don’t, as you know, and as you demonstrate at every opportunity.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#10
RE: How many voices will it take?
(July 15, 2021 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: The alarm bells were going off long before this General's concerns, but it is the latest to come to light from a high position of power.

Many people claim it is wrong to equate the former guy to WW2 Germany, but what can one say when a General equates your followers to "Brown Shirts"? 

Let me make it clear, just because something has not happened yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen. Our Republic isn't a given and depends 100% on vigilance and participation. But when fear and insecurity take hold to a great enough degree, it makes it easy for those in lust for power to take advantage of the vulnerable. But for the former guy, he ran for one reason only, to avoid prosecution in pending cases and knew if he won he could hide behind "you cant indict a sitting president".  Which was never in the constitution, but a mere DOJ recommendation. 

50 former Republican intel agents warned of what could happen if the former guy was elected, the first time. Thousands of lawyers nationwide expressed concern with his language and tactics in both runs. 

So you have your occasional Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. Not enough. Even today, even though the former guy lost, he is still setting the stage for toppling our Republic, even if he never gets elected again. We need the GOP of Nixon, we need politicians to put the Republic before power. 

So what does anyone have to say to a General, who was expressing concern as well? How many voices is it going to take?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

Here’s a way to raise more voices: get up off the parliamentary side of your arse and DO something. You could -

-Start petitions to get candidates you like on the ballot.

-Volunteer for your candidates.

-Organize (or at least take part in) voter registration drives.

-Go the next time your local government has a public meeting (I think you call them ‘town halls’ or some such) and make some noise.

-Fund raise for initiatives or candidates that appeal to you.

-Call, write or email ALL government officials of ANY party that represent you.

-Show up the next time there’s a march or protest regarding a cause you care about.

-Urge all your friends, neighbours, and casual acquaintances to join you in all of the above.

If you want to know ‘how many voices will it take’, you need to start by BEING a voice.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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