(December 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 3:06 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Every few weeks there seems to be a mass shooting somewhere in the US, can anyone remember the last time something like that happened in Britain?
Why would any sane country allow it's public to own and carry firearms?
I remember the first time I visited the US, I went to collect a hire car and the guy in the parking lot had a gun on his belt ... why would a parking attendant need to be armed?
Sorry America, but your brain is broken

The overall murder rate in the US is at an all time low. Also there was a time when Britain had similar gun laws to the US, pre-1964. When they enacted their gun laws the murder rate didn't drop, it stayed the same and slowly rose through the 1970s. The UK has always had lower crime than the US, even when they gun laws were the same.

Gun deaths UK/USA UK 0.26, USA 10.5 deaths per 100,000 population per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

(December 3, 2015 at 4:53 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: The overall murder rate in the US is at an all time low. Also there was a time when Britain had similar gun laws to the US, pre-1964. When they enacted their gun laws the murder rate didn't drop, it stayed the same and slowly rose through the 1970s. The UK has always had lower crime than the US, even when they gun laws were the same.

Gun deaths UK/USA  UK 0.26, USA 10.5 deaths per 100,000 population per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

That is a non reply to what I actually said.

(December 3, 2015 at 4:53 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: The overall murder rate in the US is at an all time low. Also there was a time when Britain had similar gun laws to the US, pre-1964. When they enacted their gun laws the murder rate didn't drop, it stayed the same and slowly rose through the 1970s. The UK has always had lower crime than the US, even when they gun laws were the same.

Gun deaths UK/USA  UK 0.26, USA 10.5 deaths per 100,000 population per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

You do realize I'm talking about the murder rate, right? Which doesn't have anything to do with what you said. Also do you think those gun deaths, most of which are suicides, wouldn't have happened without guns? Japan manages to have sky high suicides without gun deaths. If you want to talk about statistics address my points.

(December 3, 2015 at 4:45 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: They're one of the smartest, most interesting people I've ever met.

You need to get out a bit more.

(December 3, 2015 at 4:53 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: The overall murder rate in the US is at an all time low. Also there was a time when Britain had similar gun laws to the US, pre-1964. When they enacted their gun laws the murder rate didn't drop, it stayed the same and slowly rose through the 1970s. The UK has always had lower crime than the US, even when they gun laws were the same.

Gun deaths UK/USA  UK 0.26, USA 10.5 deaths per 100,000 population per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

Yea, an all time low, that is like choosing between the religious bigotry of the 1950s  and the Witch hunts. Nobody is claiming we have it worse, but that doesn't preclude improvement.

The reason it rises laws or not, is RATIO of population and economics. The planet also had a smaller population. To talk about rise is bullshit. More of anything, no matter subject is going to make management more complex. The reason we have more gun violence is because we have more humans and more guns. That still is not an excuse to reduce gun death. We can manage objects a lot better than we can humans.

(December 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Fik5jkg2hK

My friend just recorded this and asked me to post it on this forum.

Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Boru

(December 3, 2015 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Fik5jkg2hK

My friend just recorded this and asked me to post it on this forum.

Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Boru

I'd appreciate if you didn't talk that way about my friend.

(December 3, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Aroura Wrote: Dude smoke a few doobies before recording that?

I didn't even bother with it. Anything coming from him is either full of hate or a complete joke to begin with.

(December 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Here's the thing... you can put all the gun laws you want into place. At the end of the day, ask yourself, a criminal is a criminal for what primary reason?

Criminals don't obey laws.

Given this, what makes anyone think that putting more laws on the books is going to change that line of thinking?

Now ask yourself what makes the difference between a criminal and an armed criminal.

(December 3, 2015 at 6:05 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Here's the thing... you can put all the gun laws you want into place. At the end of the day, ask yourself, a criminal is a criminal for what primary reason?

Criminals don't obey laws.

Given this, what makes anyone think that putting more laws on the books is going to change that line of thinking?

Now ask yourself what makes the difference between a criminal and an armed criminal.

My initial answer was going to be there is none, because at the end of the day, they are still breaking the law.
Then I thought about it and I want to say the difference is that the armed criminal is capable of killing someone, but then again, they don't necessarily need to be armed to do that, do they? Someone who commits a hit and run to a pedestrian with their car becomes a criminal the second they leave the scene of the accident. So, there's that variable to consider too.