Are you being ironic or did you just smoke something?

(December 19, 2015 at 9:52 pm)Kitan Wrote: It is wrong to teach kids about anything that is false.

Why? Presuming of course that it is false.

Hell is a construct. Not for just scaring people but making people believe they actually have control over their lives.
"Good people get good treatment, bad people get bad treatment." Life isn't so neat and tidy as that.
Theres all kinds of very real places and experiences that could be described as "hell" in the poetic sense. They're not mutually exclusive to any side of the fence morality wise though. The best of us can be given the worst treatment, the worst of us can be given the best.
The concept of celestial justice is just wishful thinking.

(December 19, 2015 at 2:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think it is objectively wrong to teach your kids about Hell, if that is truly what you believe. But I do think it has to be done very carefully, using prudence as responsible, good parents. Too much focus on Hell is definitely not healthy for anyone, especially kids.

Sure it is. You shouldn't teach your kids what you believe, merely what you know for sure to be true.

That's the problem with religions especially ones like Christianity. Also...that's one of the very many reasons people still fall for it. Because they are worried of the consequence of hell.

But there is no hell, it's all made up.

Why? Well mostly for power and control over the masses.

There are parents who use their own children as sex toys, and then there are children who abuse them with images of the most unthinkable horror imaginable, traumatizing them into a lifetime of paranoid fear. I won't decide which is worse, but the latter group of parents deserves to be treated no better!

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(December 19, 2015 at 9:33 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(December 19, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I goes I was an abused child and will be a child abuser. Better call CPS.

Not necessarily. Our grandparents' generation still condoned beating their children bloody. Our parents' generation took it down a few notches and our generation seems to be largely against using violence against children. Commonly held religious beliefs are also becoming more liberal and less focused on imaginary violence. So there is progress.

Still - there are many children, who are missing out on the benefits of that social progress, often because of bad parenting, or mental disorders, masking as religious beliefs and getting away from public scrutiny. Don't you believe, for example, that the Amish are abusing their children, by denying them things, like modern education, or dental care? Is it not "objectively" wrong, or just plain-old wrong, that they pull all the teeth of young girls, replacing them with wooden dentures, to avoid future problems, because they believe, that modern medicine is "naughty"?

Goddammit, I know I'm the one who's gonna stink for making this connection, but if the Amish do that only to young women, then I suspect it's really so their future husbands can get fellatio without the teeth!

(General rant)

Remember that if you "teach" your religious beliefs as fact to your young children, you are literally forcing your beliefs upon another human being. And worse, one that is mostly reliant on you for accurate information about the world. If you're prepared to own your beliefs as such to adults, why would you change the formula with your children?

Can a young child really not function safely in the world without a load of religious stuff thrust into their head "as fact"? How about letting them be a child, learning some stuff and being happy, and then seeing what they make of it all after that? It's just not the same as telling kids that the oven will burn them or cars will kill them; if you think that it is, and it's essential for a young child's wellbeing, then I'm afraid you're in a state of severe delusion.

(December 20, 2015 at 12:08 am)godzilla_22 Wrote: That's the problem with religions especially ones like Christianity. Also...that's one of the very many reasons people still fall for it. Because they are worried of the consequence of hell.

But there is no hell, it's all made up.

Why? Well mostly for power and control over the masses.

There are countless hells on Earth.  Spending decades in solitary confinement is an American prison is hell.  People who were kidnapped, whipped, branded, and spent their lives in slavery were in hell.  People who starved to death while wars raged around them were in hell.  People disfigured and afflicted with all kinds of debilitating diseases and birth defects are in hell.  

There are countless hells on Earth.  You will be very lucky if you never experience one of them.  Billions of people have experienced them first hand.

(December 21, 2015 at 1:17 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(December 20, 2015 at 12:08 am)godzilla_22 Wrote: That's the problem with religions especially ones like Christianity. Also...that's one of the very many reasons people still fall for it. Because they are worried of the consequence of hell.

But there is no hell, it's all made up.

Why? Well mostly for power and control over the masses.

There are countless hells on Earth.  Spending decades in solitary confinement is an American prison is hell.  People who were kidnapped, whipped, branded, and spent their lives in slavery were in hell.  People who starved to death while wars raged around them were in hell.  People disfigured and afflicted with all kinds of debilitating diseases and birth defects are in hell.  

There are countless hells on Earth.  You will be very lucky if you never experience one of them.  Billions of people have experienced them first hand.

I just have to love how Xtians always think they are applying that threat of hell only to the modern-day equivalent of pampered princes, who were carried aloft through the wretched villages of common workers on slave-born litters while munching on peeled grapes, and they had to bow down before said prince as he floats by.

How can a Christian really have empathy for those who are poor and suffering when he can't even see them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtD_GUvu-wc

Who Cares Wins

Anthrax, 1988


Close your eyes to the horror
Close your eyes to the pain
When you live in a box
No one knows your name
Living in the street
Moms and kids with nothing to eat
Welfare hotels
Who says there's no place called hell

I can't see you
I can't hear you
You don't see me
You couldn't be me
Who cares wins

There but for the grace of god
There but for the grace of god
Who cares, who cares, who cares, who cares
There but for the grace of god
There but for the grace of god...
Go you or I
Open your eyes
You don't see me
You couldn't be me

Invisible could be my name
Your excuses are so lame
Real pleas fall on deaf ears
Look away when I'm near
Freezing cold in winter's heat
Burning up can be a treat
Blisters breaking on my feet
At least I get a subway seat

I can't see you
I can't hear you
You don't see me
You couldn't be me
Who cares wins

There but for the grace of god
There but for the grace of god
Who cares, who cares, who cares, who cares
There but for the grace of god
There but for the grace of god...

Go you or I
Open your eyes
You don't see me
You couldn't be me
Who cares wins

Self help and preservation
Not now I'm on vacation
Priority is you
And screw all those around you

Now's the time for you to share
Indifference you have to care
Deep inside you know it's true
How do I get through to you
Open your eyes to the horror
Open your eyes to the pain
When you live in a box
No one knows your name

[CHORUS]

Hell is a youtube video with posted lyrics. Really.