If the billionaires had the power that people are scared they do have, we would have had a President Romney.

(January 2, 2016 at 10:00 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Right, and that's what this country needs right now. A good guy who actually gives a shit about the people in this country, and who people on both sides can relate to, because the Democrats and Republicans can't compromise on anything anymore. An independent who can unite them as much as possible would be a very good thing indeed.

The problem is that an independent who really works to change may well indeed unite the two sides of the aisle ... against him.

Which certainly could happen, but if it did I would predict that the next election we would have a lot of new faces in Congress.

(January 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If the billionaires had the power that people are scared they do have, we would have had a President Romney.

"We?"

You were a Brit at the time.

Romney destroyed himself with his 47% comment and the evangelicals did not trust a mormon.  (Can't say I blame them for that!) 
Besides, conservative horseshit aside, Obama had done a pretty good job cleaning up Bush's mess.

(January 2, 2016 at 11:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:  . . .
Romney destroyed himself with his 47% comment and the evangelicals did not trust a mormon.  (Can't say I blame them for that!) 
 . . .

Indeed.

I still can't believe it's between Clinton and Trump. I feel like this is all one big joke. A bad one at that.

Trump still hasn't said he'd shitcan 10,000 to 50,000 federal employees (after announcing a federal hiring freeze) per month for the length of his term.

Imagine the government we'd have if they adopted the same idea UPS has in regards to their drivers: one fuck up and you're history.

It would be nice if the voters would hold those they elect to a similar standard . . .

(January 2, 2016 at 10:16 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Which certainly could happen, but if it did I would predict that the next election we would have a lot of new faces in Congress.

Perhaps. Or as with the current state of affairs, the blame would be placed on the President no matter the justice of such finger-pointing.

If I voted, it would always be for a Democrat or an independent.

Sure, Hillary was once against gays getting married. So was Obama. They changed their minds. I haven't seen any Republicans change their minds. The only Republican that doesn't scare me is Kasich.

I'd much rather have Bernie Sanders, but he's not going to get it. He's refusing money from big business -- and that means Hillary will easily out finance him. It's great that he's sticking to his principals. I wouldn't expect him to do anything else. But when it comes down to Hillary vs Cruz/Trump/Rubio/Bush/Carson, the choice is obvious for me. Hillary won't be great. She might not even be good. But she'll still be better than the alternative.