(January 4, 2016 at 7:42 pm)Kitan Wrote: Watching Cosmos, sometimes I feel there are still holes to be filled where I am questioning science.

Of course, this very desire for knowledge and willpower to not accept something on the basis of it being told to me is precisely why I am not a theist today.

Then I remember that science does not fill holes with a readily comforting answer as does religion.

Science has always been comfortable with stating it does not know something despite the immense pressure of society to provide an answer.

Science does not cave, and those who are too impatient for answers are also too dumb.  Sadly, the too dumb phenomenon is what comprises the majority of human population.

How do you know that what you're being told on Cosmos is correct?

Boru

(January 4, 2016 at 8:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How do you know that what you're being told on Cosmos is correct?

Boru

No theists were involved in creating or producing the show.

(January 4, 2016 at 8:25 pm)Kitan Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 8:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How do you know that what you're being told on Cosmos is correct?

Boru

No theists were involved in creating or producing the show.

How do you know that? For all you know, the key grip could be Pentecostal.

Boru

(January 4, 2016 at 8:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How do you know that?  For all you know, the key grip could be Pentecostal.

Boru

You're the one making the extraordinary claim. Provide the evidence.

(January 4, 2016 at 8:29 pm)Kitan Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 8:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How do you know that?  For all you know, the key grip could be Pentecostal.

Boru

You're the one making the extraordinary claim.  Provide the evidence.

I'm not making a claim (and, if I were, it isn't all that extraordinary).

Back to my earlier point. How do you KNOW that what your watching on telly is correct? You said Cosmos corrects history, for example. Well, how do you know? Have you verified the accounts of history presented on the show with other sources?

The reason I'm asking is that you mentioned that your resistance to accepting something simply because it has been told to you is one of the reasons you're not a theist. Well, are you accepting what is told to you on Cosmos?

Boru

(January 4, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Kitan Wrote: Thank you for that quote.  Ingersoll is basically my hero.

Ingersoll was a great mind.  He sits on top of the pedestal with Mencken and Jefferson.

Quote:The truth is that Christian theology, like every other theology, is not only opposed to the scientific spirit; it is also opposed to all other attempts at rational thinking. Not by accident does Genesis 3 make the father of knowledge a serpent — slimy, sneaking and abominable. Since the earliest days the church, as an organization, has thrown itself violently against every effort to liberate the body and mind of man. It has been, at all times and everywhere, the habitual and incorrigible defender of bad governments, bad laws, bad social theories, bad institutions. It was, for centuries, an apologist for slavery, as it was the apologist for the divine right of kings.
— H L Mencken

Quote:In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

---- Thomas Jefferson

(January 4, 2016 at 8:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 8:29 pm)Kitan Wrote: You're the one making the extraordinary claim.  Provide the evidence.

I'm not making a claim (and, if I were, it isn't all that extraordinary).

Back to my earlier point.  How do you KNOW that what your watching on telly is correct?  You said  Cosmos corrects history, for example.  Well, how do you know?  Have you verified the accounts of history presented on the show with other sources?

The reason I'm asking is that you mentioned that your resistance to accepting something simply because it has been told to you is one of the reasons you're not a theist.  Well, are you accepting what is told to you on Cosmos?

Boru

Brian, no offense, but you're being a little unreasonable here. A show of this sort, with this much attention, one could easily find out if they put inaccuracies in the script. And they actually did some of the times, but it's only during the animations of certain historical figures, and those are too minor to pay mind to.

Bottomline being, you don't actually have to be an expert at everything to find out whether something is right or wrong nowadays. If you have second thoughts about something, you can easily dig deeper and find out the truth from the source.

(January 4, 2016 at 8:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 7:42 pm)Kitan Wrote: Watching Cosmos, sometimes I feel there are still holes to be filled where I am questioning science.

Of course, this very desire for knowledge and willpower to not accept something on the basis of it being told to me is precisely why I am not a theist today.

Then I remember that science does not fill holes with a readily comforting answer as does religion.

Science has always been comfortable with stating it does not know something despite the immense pressure of society to provide an answer.

Science does not cave, and those who are too impatient for answers are also too dumb.  Sadly, the too dumb phenomenon is what comprises the majority of human population.

How do you know that what you're being told on Cosmos is correct?

Boru

(January 5, 2016 at 11:47 am)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(January 4, 2016 at 8:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm not making a claim (and, if I were, it isn't all that extraordinary).

Back to my earlier point.  How do you KNOW that what your watching on telly is correct?  You said  Cosmos corrects history, for example.  Well, how do you know?  Have you verified the accounts of history presented on the show with other sources?

The reason I'm asking is that you mentioned that your resistance to accepting something simply because it has been told to you is one of the reasons you're not a theist.  Well, are you accepting what is told to you on Cosmos?

Boru

Brian, no offense, but you're being a little unreasonable here. A show of this sort, with this much attention, one could easily find out if they put inaccuracies in the script. And they actually did some of the times, but it's only during the animations of certain historical figures, and those are too minor to pay mind to.

You're missing my point (to be fair, I don't think I made it all that well).

Absolutely, one can locate inaccuracies, I'm simply inquiring if Kitan was making the effort to do that. If you object to being expected to believe things that are 'told' to you, why wouldn't you object to believing something simply because NDGT told it to you? Don't get me wrong - I think the world of Dr. Tyson. But I think there's sort of a dichotomy here.

Boru