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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 5:58 am
(January 9, 2016 at 4:25 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 8, 2016 at 3:57 pm)pool Wrote: It's ID because it follows the same pattern of something that could be considered ID.
Consider the number system humans created. We are the gods. We created them. We decide how they function, or to be more precise we design how they function.
The same thing with my example of water, the only difference is we don't know who decided to make them function the way they function.
String theory says it's because of random physical properties attributed to the universe during the beginning.
If natural causes and random events can affect the constraints of something, then the constraints are bound to change.
There is no recorded history of anything other than H20 producing water, meaning the rules didn't change, it stayed the same.
So rule out random events.
We are left with ID.
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also, good night, i have class tomorrow :/ and its 1:30 am
Ah I see you do not understand how numbers work.
In the past people noticed that there were things, they decided to call a lone thing "one" they noticed that sometimes there were other things so they decided to invent the other numbers to make groups of those one things. Now you could do things with these groups of one thing, you could take some away and add others, you could add different things. And so maths was born, by observation of reality, just like every other thing, we noticed that stuff happened and come up with a rational method of dealing with it.
xD Thanks your your kind comment but I was simply using that as an example so that people can better understand what I'm talking about.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 6:24 am
Didn't work, did it? 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 9:10 am
You continue to make breathtakingly poor inferences Pool. People have understood what you're talking about, and they've explained to you -why- it's gibberish.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 10:25 am
(January 9, 2016 at 9:10 am)Rhythm Wrote: You continue to make breathtakingly poor inferences Pool. People have understood what you're talking about, and they've explained to you -why- it's gibberish.
If you've understood what I'm talking about then explain it to me? 
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 10:46 am
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2016 at 10:51 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I already summarized your position completely. I'll do it again.
You've used what you see as a similarity between words and the objects to which they refer as justification for an inference of design in those objects. Because words and the objects to which they refer share "x" qualities or attributes...and because words are designed.....the objects are designed.
I think that there might be a simpler, less irrational explanation for your observations regarding words (or math)....I still don't know what it has to do with ID, and neither do you..........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 11:59 am
Yeah... no, actually.
Figures. If you did know what I was talking about then you'd know I am right.
Meh, I'm bored, there is no longer a challenge, bring back Aristo and Pyrrho, you guys go at it. *burp*
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2016 at 12:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I thought about quoting the many times you've made precisely that inference...but then I realized that I don't care, troll. If we've reached the point where you feel the need to abandon your own previous statements to maintain the charade...I think we're done.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 12:22 pm
(January 9, 2016 at 2:01 am)Old Baby Wrote: Before anyone is going to worry about the "Why?" question, you have to show that it's relevant. It's like asking, "Why are the chip crumbs always at the bottom of the sack?" That's another good one.
WHY are there crumbs at the bottom of a bag?
...and...
HOW did the crumbs get to the bottom of the bag?
..are essentially the same question. Once you explain HOW the crumbs got there, you answer WHY the crumbs are there.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2016 at 12:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The only time why is distinct from how (and perhaps even then..not so much) is when we are referencing something that is explicitly an issue of intent. A person could insist upon the second connotation of why, the one which does address intent.....but not in a conversation in which they are attempting to demonstrate that such intent exists in the first place. They would have already assumed that which they sought to prove by the simple act of demanding that connotation.
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Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 2:26 pm
(January 8, 2016 at 1:35 am)robvalue Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 10:50 pm)Old Baby Wrote: I haven't read all 31 pages of this thread so someone else might have said this.
The "If God designed X, why is it screwed up?" argument posed to a Christian is going to be explained with the story of Adam's fall.
In the beginning, everything was perfect. Then, Adam ate the apple and suddenly we had thorns and weeds and back aches and eye problems and guys only living to be 500 instead of 1000.
Yeah, I think it's still a good argument as it shows the hypocrisy of certain approaches.
"Humans are so amazing and brilliant and wonderful, they must have been designed!"
"But they are shit. [Insert facts about human biology]"
"Yes! That's because of [insert scapegoat]."
"So if they're shit, they're not wonderful, so you defeated your own argument."
"Free will."
"What?"
"Look over there!" *runs off*
Rob, LMAO!!! Yeah, that sums it up. "Believe what I believe, just don't think very hard about, okay?!"
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