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Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 5:53 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 5:40 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 5:03 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: In the universe, causes lead to effects, each cause is the effect of a cause, this is time and space at work, which are functions of the universe. If the universe was caused by some other temporal-based agent "outside" of the universe, then the laws of cause and effect were somehow in place before the universe existed, the cause of the universe would have to be the effect of a previous cause, and that cause would also be an effect of a cause, the chain reaction of causality would trace backwards forever to no determinable starting point, which would mean that time and space are eternal, not infinite, which to my mind sort of breaks time and space, seeing as it makes time timeless and space spaceless. My friend, it is you who believes the universe is eternal. I think we're actually in agreement that our universe is not eternal, but I'm not sure. Wouldn't something outside of time be exempt from the need of a previous cause? Obviously we can't jump to God from that, but the God of the Bible does claim to be the creator of time and space, and therefore removes himself from the need for a previous cause.
How could anything, like the humanoid god of the bible that possesses a mind with intent and purpose to design and the ability to carry out the creation of the universe, ever possibly be able to exist outside of time and space...?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 6:15 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 5:50 pm)AAA Wrote: What could I do to convince you? It really wouldn't matter to me if you believed it or not if I didn't feel like I'm being dismissed as a liar by nearly everyone on this thread. It's like these people are just shocked out of their mind that someone who studies biology would disagree with a particular scientific theory, not realizing that there are disputes constantly among people who study science.
It's simple: UNDERSTAND SCIENCE.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 6:26 pm
That you choose to lie for christ isn't even remotely shocking Trips. We get that sort of shit day in and day out.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm
So, evolution has flaws, but MAGIC makes perfect sense?
Gotcha. Good luck with that premise in your "scientific" field.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 6:58 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 5:40 pm)AAA Wrote: I think we're actually in agreement that our universe is not eternal, but I'm not sure. Wouldn't something outside of time be exempt from the need of a previous cause? Obviously we can't jump to God from that, but the God of the Bible does claim to be the creator of time and space, and therefore removes himself from the need for a previous cause.
What does "outside of time" even mean?
Since existence is a temporal attribute, how could something even exist without time? Please explain how you are using the word "exist".
Just because the god character in your chosen religious texts is described as claiming to have created space and time, why should we believe it? Why should we believe the Bible is authoritative? How do you know that the Bible actually reflects the claims of a god?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 6:59 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Aroura Wrote: So, evolution has flaws, but MAGIC makes perfect sense?
Gotcha. Good luck with that premise in your "scientific" field.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 7:09 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 9:15 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What scientific career? Don't tell me you bought that shit for a minute...lol?
Maybe not bought it, but just comparing prices with something he saw at Toys'R'Us.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 7:13 pm
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 7:15 pm
That mustache is right!
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 13, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 5:50 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 5:22 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: That is what I mean. I'm not questioning whether or not you're a science student, you haven't given me any reason to even entertain the possibility that you might be. You've yet to convince me that you've taken some spare time to familiarize yourself with the subject, let alone that you study it academically.
What could I do to convince you? It really wouldn't matter to me if you believed it or not if I didn't feel like I'm being dismissed as a liar by nearly everyone on this thread. It's like these people are just shocked out of their mind that someone who studies biology would disagree with a particular scientific theory, not realizing that there are disputes constantly among people who study science.
You know what, I take it back, you don't need a better understanding of science - well, you do - but what you really need first and foremost is a better understanding of creationism.
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