(January 14, 2016 at 5:40 am)abaris Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 4:40 am)Alex K Wrote: They were gangs who tried to mug women by assaulting them and taking their stuff while their guard is down. Then stuff escalated further because everyone was drunk. Summarizing that as shitty Islamic behavior seems odd to say the least.

Not to forget that police found papers with dirty expression, translated from arabic to german on them. So it was organised by someone.

Also, one should at least mention, that the feminist groups, protesting the incidents, are distancing themselves from being instrumentalised by rightwingers in a statement. That's important because rightwing group are trying to collect additional brownie points by playing the feminist card.

It reminds me of the old days when suddenly, the Green party got unwanted love from the Republikaner for saving the German forests, lol.

But it's a miracle, abaris! People who couldn't care less about women's bodily autonomy yesterday turned into raving feminists over night, fighting back the rapist hordes ! A miracle, I tell you!

(January 14, 2016 at 5:38 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 5:36 am)Alex K Wrote: If I have misrepresented your statement, I'm sorry

Huh, totally forgot about that post. My apologies then.

And I guess that I take that statement back.

That's good.

(January 14, 2016 at 5:43 am)Alex K Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 5:38 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Huh, totally forgot about that post. My apologies then.

And I guess that I take that statement back.

That's good.

Yes, the statement that you linked to. I do however still think that individuals should be able to defend themselves. But of course you don't trust my opinion on public policy and I probably don't trust yours.

(January 14, 2016 at 5:45 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 5:43 am)Alex K Wrote: That's good.

Yes, the statement that you linked to. I do however still think that individuals should be able to defend themselves.

You've seen the vids of New Years from Cologne, right? Now add guns for everybody to that. I don't know what you imagine would happen, but I see a three figure death toll and the police going in with tanks.

(January 14, 2016 at 5:45 am)Bella Morte Wrote: But of course you don't trust my opinion on public policy and I probably don't trust yours.

Yeah yeah whatever. Bygones.

(January 14, 2016 at 5:45 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Yes, the statement that you linked to. I do however still think that individuals should be able to defend themselves. But of course you don't trust my opinion on public policy and I probably don't trust yours.

I had that discussion with another member several months ago. So here's the same question, I was asking him: Have you ever been to a shooting?

I have, twice, it's pure chaos. How do you think, Joe or Jane ordinary would single out their real targets in such a situation? And please, don't give me the being trained on using weapons. Short of real combat training, nothing can prepare you for situations like that.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...9222546432

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...3238755328

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...0266539008

Yeah, stoner. I know, the best informed people on this planet are the ones from the Alex Jones network.

There's a lot of insanity on both sides on this discussion. I don't know when people left reasonableness and logic at the door but I have must have missed the memo.

(January 14, 2016 at 6:21 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: There's a lot of insanity on both sides on this discussion. I don't know when people left reasonableness and logic at the door but I have must have missed the memo.

The only sane position is to blame it on the ones doing it - and most of all, the ones organising it. These handouts didn't suddenly materialize. They were prepared by someone, who knows Arabic as well as German, and these men were recruited in some way for whatever purpose.

So, what I'm really missing in this discussion, is discussing the background of what has happened. Someone had/has and interest in inciting a reaction. But to what end? What's their goal? That can swing in many different directions. Either the wish to incite hatred to recruit more footsoldiers for some middle Eastern cause if they feel unwanted. But inciting hatred is high on the rightwing agenda too. Or it's just a feeble attempt at a new form of terrorism. Could also be a coverup for some entirely mondaine cause, since many times the women being harrassed have also been robbed.

And I'm missing that kind of discussion in the media also. I'm sure, the authorities don't sit on their hands, but, other than reporting on the handouts, there's no news coverage.

I'm all for liberal principles in 99% of cases. But sometimes they go too far. In Sweden and Germany it is going as far as hiding the criminals if they belong to a certain religion, not only ignoring the problem but enabling it further...

Also, have you stopped to ask yourself why immigrants are going to Europe? Lebanon is safe, Turkey is safe, Egypt is safe even some large parts of Syria are relatively safe etc... They don't want to run away for safety, the want the generous package the Europeans are offering, pretty much go anywhere you want in Europe and wreck havoc and get a paycheck from Europeans governments at the end of the month.