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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Kitan Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:25 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: And, since the material world is the only one for which we have any tangible evidence, it follows that God can not exist since He too could not have come from nothing.
Thus enters special pleading on the part of theists in insisting that god is real because natural law does not apply to him.
Well, to be fair, that is kind of the point of being supernatural, which is kind of the point of being God in the first place lol.
As for the pleading, no... I won't plead anything from any of you. That's just what I believe.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Kitan Wrote: Thus enters special pleading on the part of theists in insisting that god is real because natural law does not apply to him.
Well, to be fair, that is kind of the point of being supernatural, which is kind of the point of being God in the first place lol.
As for the pleading, no... I won't plead anything from any of you. That's just what I believe.
Can you demonstrate something supernatural? Something that we all know is real that can't have a natural explanation?
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:42 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, to be fair, that is kind of the point of being supernatural, which is kind of the point of being God in the first place lol.
As for the pleading, no... I won't plead anything from any of you. That's just what I believe.
I could understand if anything supernatural was more than a figment of the imagination, but a delusion perpetrated for the sake of comfort is just that.
It is termed "supernatural" for a reason, and not only because it is beyond natural. It is so beyond natural that natural law has no explanation for it. Rather, man in the name of religion creates an explanation for it, thus soiling the very definition of knowledge. It, religion, is a veritable disgrace to reason. Plain and simple.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm)The_Empress Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, to be fair, that is kind of the point of being supernatural, which is kind of the point of being God in the first place lol.
As for the pleading, no... I won't plead anything from any of you. That's just what I believe.
Can you demonstrate something supernatural? Something that we all know is real that can't have a natural explanation?
No. There is no proof I can show you for the existence of the supernatural.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm)The_Empress Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, to be fair, that is kind of the point of being supernatural, which is kind of the point of being God in the first place lol.
As for the pleading, no... I won't plead anything from any of you. That's just what I believe.
Can you demonstrate something supernatural? Something that we all know is real that can't have a natural explanation?
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:52 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well considering Jesus Himself straight up denounced certain things in the OT, I think that's a pretty good indication that the bible (while it is important), is not the end all be all of the faith. That's what Catholics believe, anyway. Can't speak for the others.
I don't believe you can even speak for all the catholics.
Bible is a prop, just like all the "holy" books. It's actual content is pretty much irrelevant. All christians cherry-pick and twist the text, in order to suit their needs and pre-conceived notions. And they would be doing so, even if you replaced the book in question with a Batman comic, a Dr. Seuss story, or a handkerchief with a rude word scribbled on it.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm
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There are certain things in Catholicism that are non negotiable. These are official doctrinal teachings on faith and morals. They can be found in the Catechism. Beyond that, Catholics are free to believe what we want so long as we stay true to our well formed conscience.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 9:58 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: These are official doctrinal teachings on faith and morals.
I know of atheists who have better overall life morals than Catholics or any theist of any religion.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 10:01 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There are certain things in Catholicism that are non negotiable.[...]
Nonsense. Everything is perfectly "negotiable" - it just takes a lot of time and a lot of spanking, because historically catholics are slow learners.
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RE: Christoid Logic
February 3, 2016 at 10:02 pm
(February 3, 2016 at 10:01 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There are certain things in Catholicism that are non negotiable.[...]
Nonsense. Everything is perfectly "negotiable" - it just takes a lot of time and a lot of spanking, because historically catholics are slow learners.
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