(March 3, 2016 at 8:43 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Many theologians say that god is "simple", but if god is simple, does not that make god finite?

Divine Simplicity isn't a simple topic. It is the topic of Question 3 of Aquinas's Summa Theologica. His treatment of Question 3 consists of 8 Articles, each of which considers multiple points.

Who cares what Saint Thomas thought?  He also considered masturbation to be a mortal sin for having lost one's "seed".

(March 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm)ignoramus Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Many theologians say that god is "simple", but if god is simple, does not that make god finite?

Aren't theologians those who couldn't grasp the fundamentals of science?
A theologian has no better understanding of God than Luigi the bricklayer next door.

I am being a sort of Devil's Advocate here.

(March 3, 2016 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Many theologians say that god is "simple", but if god is simple, does not that make god finite?

Why should it?  A circle is simple in both construction and explanation, but is effectively infinite.

Boru

How is a circle infinite?  One could say that a piece of string is also infinite.  If so, everything is infinite, in that everything can be thought of being composed of infinitesimal circles.

(March 3, 2016 at 7:19 pm)abaris Wrote: Why?

Don't you have arguments of your own?

I am just curious, abaris, can you think of even one idea/argument of your own, no matter about what?

I bet you can't. Yet the hipocrisy is as great as ever.

OP, short answer is yes. It has to be infinitely everything. Being a fantasy made by humans, it has to be infinitely flexible/changeable/powerful/meek/just/evil......... to become what ever humans want it to be at any particular moment. If each believing human has a different interpretation of it and is constantly changing that interpretation to fit their personal situation how could the fantasy be anything other than infinitely complex?

A changeable fantasy is really hard to tie down.

(March 3, 2016 at 9:17 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OP, short answer is yes. It has to be infinitely everything. Being a fantasy made by humans, it has to be infinitely flexible/changeable/powerful/meek/just/evil......... to become what ever humans want it to be at any particular moment. If each believing human has a different interpretation of it and is constantly changing that interpretation to fit their personal situation how could the fantasy be anything other than infinitely complex?

A changeable fantasy is really hard to tie down.

How, may we ask, can something which is infinitely complex arise?

(March 3, 2016 at 9:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 9:17 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OP, short answer is yes. It has to be infinitely everything. Being a fantasy made by humans, it has to be infinitely flexible/changeable/powerful/meek/just/evil......... to become what ever humans want it to be at any particular moment. If each believing human has a different interpretation of it and is constantly changing that interpretation to fit their personal situation how could the fantasy be anything other than infinitely complex?

A changeable fantasy is really hard to tie down.

How, may we ask, can something which is infinitely complex arise?

From the human mind.

Of course God, or Toby, as we call him at the Club, is infinitely complex.

He's simultaneously factional but has convinced billions he exists.

He's simultaneously three beings while being one.

He's simultaneously all knowing but can't see what his creations are up to.

He's simultaneously all loving, and all good, while being genocidal, unforgiving, hateful, cruel, and malicious.

He's simultaneously all perfect yet contradictory.

I posted my OP in the Philosophy section for a reason; let's discuss this question from a philosophical POV and not an anthropological one.

(March 3, 2016 at 7:14 pm)abaris Wrote: Why not ask if Odin's infinetely complex?

Is Odin infinitely complex?