I don't get the appeal of Boin-ney Sanders outside of 4 years of really funny Larry david skits on SNL. But I hardly see that as the reason for selling our soul to socialism for some SNL Skits.

What are his big selling points? Free collage? 4 more years of obama care? Crazy high 'I'm going to shut my business down and just live off the gub-ment hind tit' taxes?

So what happens when everyone gets a collage degree? then the markets flood with 'educated' douche bags who can't get a good job because they share the same qualifications as 95% of the rest of the unemployed work force. So then to off set the fact we have collage educated d-bags who can barely qualify for a job at Mc Donald's, we then have to raise the min wage to 20.00 per hour, which again over saturates the market with freshly minted new 20's and furthers devalues the ecconomy. In addition to a medical insurance plan this country can't already pay for without going into hock with the Chinese Government. But the idea that will pull all of this together is to tax the dog poo out of the rich... Now without any trade restrictions (which we currently enjoy) why does boin-ney think the rich will maintain their financial base in the US?

Are all of you so blind that you think millionaires and billionaires can't register their companies off shore in a low to tax free country, and work backwards into this one? This allows them to still make money here, but pay the very minimum amount in taxes. Why do you think Cruise ships/Really big big high asset companies operate out of the US and are 'registered' in other parts of the world?

Look at Boin-ney's home state where alot of this socialist nonsense is taking place. How many high asset companies are left in Vermont? I think 3 Deringer, Ben and Jerry's and BioteK. The next biggest company is bluecross blue shield, and then a bagel company. (locally sourced and distrubuted product/services) which means they kinda have to be where they are for their business to work. For that matter B&J's the second largest employer has to also be where it is to work. Ben and Jerry's is still there because of their need/ access to the dairy that made their product famous.
http://www.jobbankusa.com/jobs/vermont_v...oyers.html

Everyother major employer (aside from Deringer) is either a goverment subsudized company or it is regionally specific or tied to vermont.


Those that could leave and go to Fl or Tx (No state income tax) have left.
Here is a list of just Publically traded companies in FL: http://www.floridatrend.com/article/1861...-companies (while vermont struggles to hang onto one.) Every company on that list generates hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of revenue. None of which adds to vermonts economy unless a given product is sold in that state. but, fuels Florida's economy.

Texas' list was limited to just the top 50 and every single one generates over 5 billion per year in revenue!
http://gov.texas.gov/files/ecodev/Texas_...panies.pdf
How many 10's of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Jobs to the companies create for themselves let alone how many millions of jobs do they create for the companies that support them? Each job meaning a self sustaining individual or even a family not dependent on the government for it's survival. All of which driving a given state's economy.

Think about it. If you live in a state that imposes a 25% tax (let alone the supposed 54% tax) on the money your company makes, and all you have to do is move to a different state to keep/earn 25% per year then why in the world would you stay? Let say you make widgets, and you sell or make a 1,000,000 dollars of profit after your federal tax, a year making widgets... then lets say your state looses it's mind and imposes a 25% boin-ney tax. This takes away 250K of your hard earned profit, yet if you just relocate, you don't have to sell one more widget, you do not have to produce anything extra, and your 250K richer per year. So why stay If your business in not dependent on the locals to sustain itself??

Now take that mentality and apply it to the country. Why pay a crazy boin-ney tax if you can do what you do in a country who charges next to nothing?

All of that just to shoot ourselves in the foot by over saturating the market with 'collage educated' humps who think that piece of paper is the only think between them and a perfect life. When the bottom line is their is no magic bullet. their is only a sh*t ton of hard work and self sacrifice in a field everyone else in the country is not trying to 'plow' for themselves.

Or maybe I'm missing something, maybe the Boin is also promising free underwear as well... One of you will have to explain this hippy logic to me, because I cant for the life of me see how this is supposed to work...

If we can get socialism for free........then we'd be fools not to close that deal before the merchant realized he'd been had.

EDIT: I meant F-35 not F-22.

Does anyone ever ask if the United States can afford more war? Why is the Department of Defence not audited? Maybe if the United States stopped bullying other countries so much they could afford the things other Western countries can seem to afford just fine - and make the world a safer place too.

F-35 is a big waste of money but it took billions to realize that. Iraq war was never a good idea, but it took hundreds of thousands of lives for the political elites to realize that. All that money spent on the Iraq war could easily have gone to decreasing income inequality. There are many developing countries that have a more equal distribution of wealth than the United States, supposedly the richest country on the Earth.

Quote:F-22 is a big waste of money but it took billions to realize that.

It's a bargain compared to the F-35.  Talk about pigs flying.

If you audited the DoD they'd probably come out clean.  Fun fact...they habitually tell our congress they -don't- want this or that.  That our deployments are too strenuous, that plan x or y won't work, that they have cheaper, better plans.

In the end, they march to the orders given.  This isn't to say that there is no corruption or collusion, there must be....but pointing to the DoD like theyre the ones that make these decisions is letting the actual movers and shakers off the hook and hammering their underlings who are bound by oath, honor, and law to obey.

If college were free, maybe you would learn how to spell "college", Drich.

(March 10, 2016 at 7:10 pm)The_Empress Wrote: If college were free, maybe you would learn how to spell "college", Drich.

Drich's diploma:



Boru

(March 10, 2016 at 7:10 pm)The_Empress Wrote: If college were free, maybe you would learn how to spell "college", Drich.

Ninja'd.

Also, it might help with your third grader's understanding of economics, your Faux News understanding of Bernie Sanders' proposals, and your frightening ignorance of how this country already works.

(March 10, 2016 at 6:50 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Does anyone ever ask if the United States can afford more war? Why is the Department of Defence not audited? Maybe if the United States stopped bullying other countries so much they could afford the things other Western countries can seem to afford just fine - and make the world a safer place too.

F-22 is a big waste of money but it took billions to realize that. Iraq war was never a good idea, but it took hundreds of thousands of lives for the political elites to realize that. All that money spent on the Iraq war could easily have gone to decreasing income inequality. There are many developing countries that have a more equal distribution of wealth than the United States, supposedly the richest country on the Earth.

I think that if you asked most people, they wouldn't want to fight another war.  Between the costs (both human and monetary) and our shitty recent track record, more war is really unpalatable.  Right now.  The problem is, people (for some reason) buy into the beat coming from the war drums whenever the government starts beating on them.  Plus, we're currently living in a climate where if you dare question anything to do with the military, you don't "Support the Troops™" and are thus a bad person.

Regarding military equipment, at least the F-22 is actual functional, and the idea is sound.  A multi-role platform with good-to-great performance and stealth.  It cost a ton, but it works.  

The F-35 has been a complete debacle, even more so because the entire idea behind it was to greatly reduce costs (l-o-fucking-l).  The idea, again, is sound: an air frame that is used in three branches of the military, with about ~75% of the construction and replacement parts identical across branch versions.  And the basic shape and systems based on the proven F-22, and made (supposedly) to be simpler.  Then, somehow, everything got fucked up, things didn't work, prices skyrocketed, and it's just this too-big-to-fail albatross, much like Donald Drumpf's many bankruptcies.  I mean, shit, they're having new problems with the radar software right now, which may delay certification again: http://arstechnica.com/information-techn...in-flight/

But, to address your larger point, yes, we need to stop giving the military a blank check.  We need to stop going into regions that hate us already, toppling regimes, and then doing fuckall to fix the instability (either by not going in to begin with, or having the testicular fortitude to stay for the generations necessary to see the job done).  We need to stop spying on our fellow citizens and force law enforcement at all levels to obtain warrants.  We need to demilitarize our police.  We need to enact sensible gun control.  We need to close tax loopholes so large employers like Walmart pay their fair share if they're going to pay wages low enough that make people apply for welfare.  And so much more.

To answer Drich's question, Bernie is the only one who will actually try to do those things.  His lifetime of work proves it.  Clinton panders to the left, but she's essentially a 1980's non-evangelical Republican.  Her track record belies her rhetoric.  Drumpf is just an idiot.

Sure, companies can't survive if they have to pay a living wage.

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